[ RadSafe ] Developing Body of Evidence to Refute Mangano andColleagues

Mon Apr 11 03:49:20 CDT 2011

The piece at junksciencewatch is a lot of nonsense and vitriolic misinformation believed by most to be the work of Richard Wakeford ex head of research at British Nuclear Fuels. Check out www.chrisbusbyexposed.org
You people need to examine the evidence rather than writing knee jerk (and not very original) attacks. Your risk model has been dismantled by epidemiology and by laboratory and theoretical science. There are hundreds of peer review papers which show this to be the case. Ad hominem attacks on me wont change that. In addition, cases are being won regularly in courts on the basis of the uselessness of the ICRP model which you believe in. You can even see Dr Jack Valentin, the editor and secretary of ICRP admitting that his risk model is wrong and cannot be used for internal exposures on vimeo.com. Just google valentin+busby+vimeo for the whole video proceedings in Stockholm in 2009. I am happy to discuss all this with you on a scientific level, but it seems that none of you are scientists in the philosophical sense. I challenge you to show that your risk model is not in pieces. UNSCEAR and ICRP just cherry pick their supporting papers, all the A-Bomb stuff. They fail to cite anything that shows they are wrong. Check out www.euradcom.org for the Lesvos Declaration. But you wont look at the research: you will just attack everyone and say they are making a living out of scaring people. Or some other attempt to deny what you must know in your hearts to be true.
If your most scientific analytical response is "nuff said" then better get back to the kindergarten or the local beer saloon where this is the level of discourse.
Best wishes
Chris Busby

Berlin

-----Original Message-----
From: radsafe-bounces at agni.phys.iit.edu on behalf of Steven Dapra
Sent: Mon 11/04/2011 04:49
To: The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) Mailing List
Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Developing Body of Evidence to Refute Mangano andColleagues

April 10

         Chris Busby at Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Busby

         He's a chemist who has a lot to say about ionizing radiation.

         Chris Busby at Junk Science Watch:

http://junksciencewatch.wordpress.com/

         Chris Busby's article at Counterpunch:

http://www.counterpunch.org/busby03282011.html

         He invokes Steve Wing and John Gofman.  'Nuff said.

Steven Dapra

At 08:53 AM 4/10/2011, you wrote:
>Nobody is feathering nests Roger, and I hope you tell the radsafers 
>that the UK Member of Parliament Bill Wilson has made a FORMAL 
>complaint to the US Ambassador to the UK about your libellous 
>letters about these people and about me to my university and to the 
>peer review journals that publish my research.
>Chris Busby
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: radsafe-bounces at agni.phys.iit.edu on behalf of Roger Helbig
>Sent: Sat 09/04/2011 04:35
>To: 'The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) Mailing    List'
>Subject: [ RadSafe ] Developing Body of Evidence to Refute Mangano 
>andColleagues
>
>In Mangano, Sherman, Bertell and other's news release, which has been widely
>circulated amongst the "Green" community, they mention that they have
>published 27 medical journal articles and three books (so don't question
>these experts) - they do not mention the uselessness of "tooth fairy"
>project or that Bertell has actively claimed that the University of Alaska
>HAARP research facility has caused great earthquakes (her disciple Leuren
>Moret has made claim that HAARP is instrument of "tectonic warfare" and that
>elicits a chorus of guffaws from geologists who have been made aware of
>that) - what would really be useful is a compendium of each of these
>articles and books (including the Chernboyl 1,000,000 dead claim from NY
>Academy of Sciences) and the articles, etc. that refute these - Christopher
>Busby should be added to the list - Moret cites Busby's claim that Fukushima
>will cause something like 400,000 additional cancer deaths in her latest
>claim that the northern 1/3 of Honshu is uninhabitable (guess the people who
>are beginning to rebuild there don't think much of Moret or don't have the
>internet access - Moret, though, sadly has had fools fund trips to Japan for
>her before and she delights in free travel at other people's expense and her
>attorney friend Alfred Lambremont Webre, better known in the past for his
>claimed encounters with extraterrestrial beings, is a shameless and prolific
>publicicst.   These people intend to feather their own nests well by
>catering to those who want to forever ban nuclear power.
>
>Roger
>
>Rest of article (that was posted earlier) snipped to focus solely on the
>cast of characters who have made the claims
>
>*Advisory Board                                  Research Associates*
>
>Rosalie Bertell, PhD, GNSH                  William Reid, MD
>Samuel S. Epstein, MD                          Susanne Saltzman, MD
>Agnes Reynolds, RN                             Janette Sherman, MD
>
>RPHP is a New York-based group of scientists and health professionals who
>study health hazards of radiation exposure.  Its members have published 27
>medical journal articles and 7 books on the topic.

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