[ RadSafe ] Psychological Impacts of Chernobyl; Busby response

Sat Apr 30 07:10:55 CDT 2011

Chris,

I am not going to use my limited sparetime to trace every comment of you to
prove its correctness. 

It seems that you try to keep us at RADSAFE busy with your unacceptable
comments. We are not paid for it - are you?

You work with all medial tricks, especially with allegations of unethical
behaviour. I am aware that a lot of your followers will be delighted and -
what is most important for you - will donate money. It might also raise your
"reputation" to raise your income from legal cases in the USA. 

Needless to say, that I despise such people who twist scientific facts to
make money. 

Don't waste your time by answering, there will be more from me about your
"business" soon. (A hint: Schmitz- Feuerhake and similar ones.)

You accuse RADSAFE members, not to cite correctly or at all - What do you
do? You mention nonchalantely a IRSN comment, but there is no citation
either. It might be unlikely that you speak French, but quite a lot of
RADSAFErs speak it or at least are able to read it. I include myself. So
what is the link?

No, Chris, you are not at all credible.

Best regards anyway,

Franz

Franz Schoenhofer, PhD
MinRat i.R.
Habicherg. 31/7
A-1160 Wien/Vienna
AUSTRIA

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu
[mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] Im Auftrag von Busby Chris
Gesendet: Freitag, 29. April 2011 19:51
An: The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) Mailing List;
The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) Mailing List
Betreff: Re: [ RadSafe ] Psychological Impacts of Chernobyl; Busby response

Dear everyone,
I have never claimed lots of abortions after Chernobyl. Just to put the
matter straight.

And regarding the Dapra statement, I have only just seen what he said about
the infant leukemias. He is the second one of you to address this issue
though it took him long enough.

Basically he is saying there were no excess infant leukemias in the
Chernobyl fallout in utero cohort. The 5 difference groups got it wrong. Is
that a fair analysis? Or have I missed something?
Incidentally, the paper on the Scottish infant leukemias was by the
Oxford-based Childhood cancer Research Group.
The French IRSN report saying that ICRP was questionable has been translated
into English for those who cant read French.

Well thats one way to do it I suppose. Cant argue with that. All 5 goups
made up the data. Nice one Steven. 
By the way, what are Mr Dapras qualifications? Has he done any research? Has
he published anything in the peer review literature? I havent found anything
published by him or his sidekick Helbig. Except attacks on me of course.
Sincerely
Chris

Marne
France

-----Original Message-----
From: radsafe-bounces at agni.phys.iit.edu on behalf of Steven Dapra
Sent: Fri 29/04/2011 01:10
To: The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) Mailing List
Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Psychological Impacts of Chernobyl

April 28

         Chris Busby talks nonsense and is 
reluctant to substantiate any of his claims.  He 
is a chemist, not a health physicist.  He 
considers himself to be more of an authority on 
radioactivity than is the ICRP.  He finally gave 
a few citations, some of them to Nature.  Then, 
in another e-mail he called Nature a "rag."

         He complained loud and long that no one 
would address his claims about infant leukemias 
in the aftermath of Chernobyl.  When I posted a 
message here directly addressing his claims about 
said leukemias he dropped out of sight.  Does 
that sound like a "debate", much less an "honest debate"?

         In my estimation, calling Nature a 
"rag," or claiming the Fukushima accident will 
lead to hundreds of thousands of additional 
cancers, does not exactly constitute "divergent points of view."

         The "fact of the matter is" that most of 
the world does not care about the benefits or 
risks of the peaceful use of radioactive 
materials.  One can't even lead this horse to 
water, let alone make him drink.

         Busby and his fellow travelers are not 
filling any void of inadequate education.  What 
they are doing is spewing more hogwash into an already vast ocean of
hogwash.

         And, yes, next time I'll really let you know what I think.

Steven Dapra

At 01:00 PM 4/28/2011, you wrote:
>Franz,
>
>You ask why Chris Busby still gets space on radsafe. Radsafe would be much
>less interesting without the debate that comes from divergent points of
>view. The fact of the matter is, our industry has not done a good enough
job
>of educating the world on the benefits and true risks related to the
>peaceful use of radioactive materials. People like Mr. Busby have rushed in
>to fill that void. We all win with honest debate.
>
>Rich Gallego
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu
>[mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of Franz Schönhofer
>Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 11:39 AM
>To: 'The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) MailingList';
>radsafe at agni.phys.iit.edu
>Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Psychological Impacts of Chernobyl
>
>Leo and RADSAFErs,
>
>I do not have access to the literature you gave, but I heavily doubt your
>statement, that "the number of excess induced abortions in Europe due to
>this fear has been estimated in the tens of thousands, and even higher".
>
>Some people, one of the most noisy is Chris Busby, have claimed very high
>numbers of abortions.

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