[ RadSafe ] Forwarded to the list: Indian Point License extension.

Fri Dec 30 10:24:04 CST 2011

brownsferry and tmi was human error .bessie was missed  on inspections.

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------Original Message------
From: William Lipton <doctorbill34 at gmail.com>
To: "The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) Mailing List" <radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu>
Date: Friday, December 30, 2011 11:19:14 AM GMT-0500
Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Forwarded to the list: Indian Point License	extension.

It's what you don't think about that gets you.  While Indian Point won't
have a 130 m  (I'm trying to go metric.) tsunami, I'm not confident that
there's some other unanalyzed accident sequence that will cause major
problems.  The power reactor major incidents and near misses, e.g., Browns
Ferry fire, TMI, Davis Besse vessel failure, etc.) were all unanticipated.
How can we be sure that we've looked at every possibility?  A major release
from IP would be a disaster for millions of people.  I agree, it's not
funny.

Bill Lipton
It's not about dose, it's about trust.

On Thu, Sep 30, 2004 at 10:40 PM, Steven Dapra <sjd at swcp.com> wrote:

> Dec. 30
>
>        I realize it's not funny.  It seemed to me you were invoking the
> China syndrome in jest, and I responded in kind.
>
>        A 400 foot tsunami does not fall within the realm of "opinion."  A
> claim like this bespeaks someone who is utterly out of touch with the
> rational world.
>
> Steven Dapra
>
>
>
> At 10:52 PM 12/29/2011, you wrote:
>
>> Steven et al,
>> It's really not funny. I think the majority of the public actually
>> believe the
>> horror scenario of a "China syndrome" is actually possible.
>> Unfortunately, so do
>> many Washington bureaucrats. Some other "possibilities" that have actually
>> received serious consideration in siting studies include, falling
>> airplanes,
>> meteor impact, and people actually spending their entire life living at
>> the site
>> boundry at the center of any and all downwind release trajectories. My
>> favorite
>> occured at the siting hearings for the San Onofre Power Plant. According
>> to one
>> witness, his seismic analysis indicated that the plant could  be hit by a
>> 400
>> foot high Tsunami. Such an occurence would make the Fukushima event seem
>> trivial
>> in comparison. Of course, in such an event, everyone living between Los
>> Angelas
>> and the Mexican border would likely drown to death, buy the really serious
>> consequence might be the release of some I-131, deadly Plutonium, and
>> maybe even
>> the terrible Depleted Uranium. Everybody is entitled to their opinion, no
>> matter
>> how absurd, but what law says that it must be taken seriously.
>>
>> ______________________________**__
>> From: Steven Dapra <sjd at swcp.com>
>> To: Jerry Cohen <jjcohen at prodigy.net>; The International Radiation
>> Protection
>> (Health Physics) Mailing List <radsafe at agni.phys.iit.edu>
>> Sent: Thu, September 30, 2004 5:19:53 AM
>> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Forwarded to the list: Indian Point License
>> extension.
>>
>> Dec. 29
>>
>>        Thanks, Jerry.  (Heh, heh.)
>>
>> Steven Dapra
>>
>>
>> At 03:25 PM 12/29/2011, you wrote:
>> > You can learn all about it in the movie, "China Syndrome"
>> >
>> > ______________________________**__
>> > From: Steven Dapra <sjd at swcp.com>
>> > To: The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) Mailing List
>> > <radsafe at agni.phys.iit.edu>
>> > Sent: Wed, September 29, 2004 6:55:22 AM
>> > Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Forwarded to the list: Indian Point License
>> extension.
>> >
>> > Dec. 28
>> >
>> >         I get the impression that the Fukushima fearmongers believe
>> every
>> > reactor in the world is susceptible to a combination earthquake and
>> tsunami.
>> >Is that only me, or have other gained the same impression?
>> >
>> >         How would the melted fuel get out of the reactor vessel?  Would
>> it
>> melt through?  Or is it at least possible that the fuel could melt
>> through?
>> >
>> > Steven Dapra
>> >
>> >
>> > At 10:57 PM 12/27/2011, you wrote:
>> > > Forwarded.
>> > >
>> > > Begin forwarded message:
>> > >
>> > > > From: Laurence F Friedman <friedmanla at iit.edu>
>> > > > Subject: Indian Point License extension
>> > > > Date: December 27, 2011 8:32:24 AM CST
>> > > > To: radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Victor Gilinsky, an NRC Commissioner during the Three Mile Island
>> accident,
>> > >wrote an op-ed piece for the New York Times opposing the 20-year
>> extension of
>> > >the Indian Point operating
>> > >license.http://www.nytimes.**com/2011/12/17/opinion/is-**
>> indian-point-t<http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/17/opinion/is-indian-point-t>
>> >he-next-fukushima.html
>> > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Letters responding to Gilinsky's op-ed are here
>> > >http://www.nytimes.com/2011/**12/27/opinion/indian-pt-and-**
>> fukushima-a<http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/27/opinion/indian-pt-and-fukushima-a>
>> >like-or-not.html?_r=1.
>> > >
>> > > >
>> > > > While Gilinsky is partially correct in his statement that
>> containments
>> were
>> > >not designed to resist a full meltdown in fact at Three Mile Island
>> more than
>> > >half the fuel melted and the pressure vessel wasn't damaged. The
>> containment
>> > >wasn't even challenged. The report of the international commission that
>> > >investigated the condition of the pressure vessel is available from
>> this page
>> > >http://guides.library.iit.**edu/content.php?pid=27903&sid=**205068<http://guides.library.iit.edu/content.php?pid=27903&sid=205068>.
>> Scroll down
>> to
>> > >"Three Mile Island." In any case, most of the releases at Fukushima
>> came from
>> > >the spent fuel pools, not the reactors themselves.
>> > > >
>> > > > Laurence F. Friedman, Ph.D., CHP
>> > > > Senior Lecturer, Physics Department
>> > > > Illinois Institute of Technology
>> > > > Room 182, Life Science
>> > > > 3101 South Dearborn
>> > > > Chicago, IL 60616-3793
>> > > > (312) 842-1789
>> > > > friedmanla at iit.edu
>>
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