[ RadSafe ] Sternglass => Mangano scaremongering =>was:RE:Sci.Am. about Fukushima and US Pacific NW infant mortality

Steven Dapra sjd at swcp.com
Fri Jul 8 19:59:44 CDT 2011

July 8

         This does nothing to address anything that I said. I have 
already dismantled your article claiming additional leukemias in the 
aftermath of Chernobyl, and the one you offer below is probably no 
better than the earlier one.  Please cite something other than your own work.

         How about an explanation of the most common causes of death 
as I asked about below?

Steven Dapra

At 01:21 PM 7/8/2011, you wrote:

>The question of the effects on foetus and babies is very much an 
>open one. ICRP does not look at effects like these as 
>they  concentrate on cancer as an end point. I have already 
>suggested there is an effect seen in infant leukmeia. There are 
>other effects also as we reviewed below. The effects on sex ratio 
>have been discussed.
>Busby C.C. (2009) Very Low Dose Fetal Exposure to Chernobyl 
>Contamination Resulted in Increases in Infant Leukemia in Europe and 
>Raises Questions about Current Radiation Risk Models. International 
>Journal of Environmental Research and Public Health.; 6(12):3105-3114.
>Busby Chris, Lengfelder Edmund, Pflugbeil Sebastian, Schmitz 
>Feuerhake, Inge (2009) The evidence of radiation effects in embryos 
>and fetuses exposed by Chernobyl fallout and the question of dose 
>response. Medicine, Conflict,  Survival 25(1) 18-39
>-----Original Message-----
>From: radsafe-bounces at agni.phys.iit.edu on behalf of Steven Dapra
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>Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Sternglass => Mangano scaremongering 
>=>was:RE:Sci.Am. about Fukushima and US Pacific NW infant mortality
>July 7
>          (See my interspersed comments marked as "SD")
>Steven Dapra
>At 10:42 AM 7/7/2011, you wrote:
> >The paper by Whyte shows increases in infant mortality , neonatal
> >mortality and stillbirths in the USA and also in England and Wales
> >over a long period of time.
> >
> >Whyte,R.K (1992) `First Day Neonatal Mortality since 1935: A
> >Re-examination of the Cross Hypothesis', British Medical Journal, 
> 304: 343-6.
> >
> >This is a longer period than was considered by Ernest Sternglass,
> >who she cites in her paper. Sternglass was writing in 1971.
>          Whyte cited Sternglass.  Sternglass did not write in
>1971.  The Proceedings were held in 1969, and Whyte so states in her
>citation (no. 32).  The citation was to the "Proceedings of the ninth
>annual Hanford biology symposium at Richland Washington, May 5-8,
>1969."  Whyte gives the germane page numbers as pp. 693-717.  These
>Proceedings appear to be available at the local university library,
>and I will make a concerted effort to examine them over the weekend
>and report to RADSAFE on whatever I find.
>          You may also want to try this:
>Evidence for Low-Level Radiation Effects on the Human Embryo and
>Fetus, in Radiation Biology of the Fetal and Juvenile Mammal,
>Proceedings of the 9th Annual Hanford Biology Symposium, May 5-8,
>1969, pp. 681-692, AEC Symposium Vol. 16, Ed. by M.R. Sikov and D.D.
>Mahlum, Division of Technical Information U.S.AEC, 1969 (.CONF-690501).
>          Note the different page numbers.  This citation is near the
>bottom of the page at
><http://www.radiation.org/reading/ejsternglasspubs.html>.  (SD)
> >What she shows in her paper is that there were increases in all
> >these indicators over the period of the fallout 1959-63, not just in
> >USA but also in England and Wales. Dapra's explanation that it was
> >something about blacks in New York was n[ . . . ] [edited, so my
> >posting will go through --- SD] as it also happened in England and Wales.
>          This was *not* my explanation.  I was quoting from a letter
>to the editor of the British Medical Journal, and I gave the
>citation.  It is:  Sepkowitz, S. (Letter to the editor); British
>Medical Journal, 304: 776; March 21, 1992.  (SD)
> >There is no need for any other reference apart from Whyte: the
> >graphs are there to see and her conclusions also.
>          I included the other references for the benefit of parties
>who may have wanted to know about the ensuing discussion of Whyte's
>paper.  (SD)
> >Incidentally, the fallout was highest in Wales because of the high
> >rainfall the Sr90 was 3 times higher and was measured by the
> >Agricultural Research Council. In Wakes the infant mortality was a
> >sharp peak. I obtained all the causes of death from the Registrar
> >General for England and Wales in 1994 to see what they died of. The
> >most common cause was congenital heart defects.
>          What was the most common cause of death for the 20 y before
>1945, and the 20 y after Cross published his 1973 paper on first day
>mortality in England, Wales, and the United States?  (Citation to
>Cross is "Cost of preventing retrolental fibroplasia?", Lancet 1978,
>ii:954-6.)  We could use some historical perspective on this.  (SD)
> >The trend followed the Sr90 in milk exactly. Sr 90 was also examined
> >in mice by Luning and Frolen in Sweden:
> >
> >Luning K.G, Frolen, H., Nelson, A and Roennbaeck, C. (1963),
> >'Genetic effects of Strontium-90 on immature germ cells in mice.'
> >Nature No 4980 199: 303-4
> >Luning, K. G., Frolen, H., Nelson, A., and Ronnback, C. (1963),
> >`Genetic Effects of Strontium-90 Injected into Male Mice', Nature,
> >No 4864 197: 304-5.
> >
> >They compared it with Cs-137. The baby mice died after the Sr90 but
> >not the Cs137. Smirnova and Lyaginskaya in 1969 did the same
> >experiment in rats (inject father, unexposed mother) and the dead
> >babies had heart defects.
> >
> >Smirnova, E. I. and Lyaginska, A. M. (1969), `Heart Development of
> >Sr-90 Injured Rats', in Y. I. Moskalev and Y. I. Izd (eds.),
> >Radioaktiv Izotopy Organizs (Moscow: Medizina), 348.
> >
> >I wrote all this up in my 1995 book Wings of Death.
> >
> >Busby, C. C. (1995), Wings of Death: Nuclear Pollution and Human
> >Health  (Aberystwyth: Green Audit)
> >
> >I will get round to publishing it sometime.
> >
> >Chris

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