[ RadSafe ] Gurke?Nein danke

[ROY HERREN]

Franz,

    In the US the term that is used for the growing process that doesn't use 
chemical fertilizers and pesticides is "organic".  Is the term that you have 
used, i.e. "biologically" intended to imply that the cucumbers have been grown 
without chemical fertilizers and pesticides?

    In the US the big Escherichia coli, or as we write it "E. coli", outbreaks 
have been related either to cow or pig excreta.  The fundamental causes of the 
problem when it was related to beef production was most probable related to the 
butchering process, mixing of unbelievable large quantities of meat from many 
different animals, and improper food handling in that the hamburgers weren't 
cooked to a sufficient temperature.  The cause of the pig excreta problem is 
believed to have been traced to wild or feral pigs getting into spinach fields, 
and the spinach being consumed raw in salads.

    When I was growing up my European ancestry family never ever ate raw 
spinach.  My mother always boiled spinach and then put vinegar into the 
spinach.  I don't think any live E. coli bacterium could possible survive 
boiling and vinegar.

    Could the German E. coli outbreak be related to commercial food production 
of beef tartare ( Tatarbeefsteak) (raw beef)?
 Roy Herren 




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From: "franz.schoenhofer at chello.at" <franz.schoenhofer at chello.at>
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Sent: Wed, June 1, 2011 3:36:13 AM
Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Gurke?Nein danke

To all RADSAFErs who do not speak either German or Swedish:

"Gurke? Nein danke!" is German and means "Cucumber? No thank you!" This sentence 
is really brilliant because it refers to stickers and buttons spread everywhere 
in Europe (in different languages) in the seventies and eighties saying "Nuclear 
power? No thank you!".

The background is the following: Since the Fukushima events cannot raise any 
more the adrenalin level of consumers of mass media there had to be a new 
enhancer found. This is now the "Spanish cucumber". They were without any known 
facts made responsible for containing certain bacteria, which can be deadly for 
weak persons and actually there were cases of death in Northern Germany The 
authorities have tested now two or three cucumbers (what an excellent 
statistic!) and found some Escherichia colii of course, but not the dangerous 
variation! Now the average people are afraid of consuming not only vegetables 
from Spain, but from everywhere and the industry is suffering terrible losses. 
According to newspapers the consumption of vegetables has gone down in Austria 
by 78 %. BTW the Spanish vegetables have been declared to have been grown " 
biologically". This part of the industry (yes it is in fact an industry!) 
suffers even higher losses. I found in one Austrian newspaper the ter
m "Killer Cucumber".

Looking at the behaviour of people I have certain suspicions on the value of 
"democracy" - one person, one vote. 


Hope this helps to understand the background.

Best regards,

Franz


---- Bjorn Cedervall <bcradsafers at hotmail.com> schrieb:
> 
> This button was created last night?
> http://www.knappfabriken.se/index.php?page=knapp&id=32101
> No one seems to have died from acute radiation effects following the Fukushima 
>events.
> 14 people (?) this far have died from the cucumbers...
>  
> Note that you can vote on the button if you wish to do so.
>  
> My personal initiative only,
>  
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