[ RadSafe ] Austrian Versus Texas Wild Boar Meat

Tue Jun 7 15:45:27 CDT 2011

Mike, 

I usually appreciate your comments because they are reasonable. But what happened with this comment?????

Many RADSAFErs (including me) critizise that the "expert" Chris Busby claims "facts" or distributes hearsay without giving the sources of his "informations". When asked closer he quickly changes the topic. (Well known tactics of his kind of people.)

But what are you doing? You cite "an article a while ago" about why (correctly said!) boars meat contaminated above permissible levels
are still to be found. It is found, because it exists!!!

Your "explanation" is so absurd that I refuse to comment on it. Where do you or your article get the information about that from? Even "Der Spiegel", one of the worst pseudointellectual magazine made by pseudointellectuals for pseudointellectuals would not publish something like that - simply because they would be successfully sued. 

So what is the lesson learned?

I mentioned already before the yearly consumption rate, which would dwarf doses  from even meat exceeding by far the MPC of Cs-137.

Nobody at RADSAFE to put the doses into perspective, except me? 

Best regards,

Franz

---- "Brennan schrieb:
> There was an article a while ago that, in my opinion, held some clues as to why contaminated boars meat is still being found in Germany.
> 
> In order to cut costs, the government turned over monitoring the carcasses hunters, especially commercial hunters, brought out of the woods to volunteer groups.  The volunteers were mostly commercial hunters who received a little training, and then worked unsupervised at monitoring stations.  Contaminated carcasses were confiscated and destroyed, and the hunter compensated for their loss.  
> 
> The interesting part comes in when the market price for the meat drops below the compensation level.  It seems that more pigs become contaminated, and get purchased by the government.  Also, because most of the volunteers are themselves hunters, they often know the people whose kills they are monitoring, and they themselves might well be bringing a kill to a monitoring station in the near future, manned by the very people they are currently monitoring.  
> 
> The article didn't come right out and say that the commercial hunters are selling to the highest bidder, even when the highest bidder is the government and the meat isn't actually contaminated, but it was implied.  And it is clearly predicted by market theory.  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu [mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of neilkeeney at aol.com
> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 7:54 PM
> To: jdaitken at sugar-land.oilfield.slb.com; radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu; franz.schoenhofer at chello.at; maurysis at peoplepc.com
> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Austrian Versus Texas Wild Boar Meat
> 
> 
> Jeez. 
> 
> A little odd that the Austrian pigs would have such a burden, at least a pre-Chernobyl burden, eh?
> 
> Maybe this would be worth writing a grant proposal from a pork-barrel spending fund to studythis apparent indicator species here in the US... There are probably wild pigs around most of the nuclear plants across the Southern US...  
> 
> It could be the analogue of the tooth-fairy project. Perhaps the pig-fairy project.  Maybe the pork-fairy project, or is that taking an oxymoron just too far?  It's late...
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Neil Keeney
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Doug Aitken <jdaitken at sugar-land.oilfield.slb.com>
> To: 'The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) Mailing List' <radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu>; 'Gilbert Keeney' <neilkeeney at aol.com>; 'Franz Schönhofer' <franz.schoenhofer at chello.at>
> Sent: Mon, Jun 6, 2011 6:58 am
> Subject: RE: [ RadSafe ] Austrian Versus Texas Wild Boar Meat
> 
> 
> Having seen many in the backwoods of Texas, and some big'uns in the jungles
> f Borneo, the "wild boar" in Texas are in general feral pigs - domestic
> igs that have escaped and gone wild.
> hey lack the vicious curved fangs of the real boar. But you still don't
> ant to mess with them, especially if it is a mother with piglets!
> They are indeed a real nuisance and are hunted regularly, but those
> ritters breed like crazy and you just can't keep 'em down. And they grow
> ig!
> I can’t say that the flesh is much different from regular pig - a bit more
> gamey". But as I never tasted real "boar" I am sure there is a bit of a
> ifference.
> oug
> -----Original Message-----
> rom: radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu
> mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of Dan W McCarn
> ent: Sunday, June 05, 2011 5:58 PM
> o: 'The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) MailingList';
> Gilbert Keeney'; 'Franz Schönhofer'
> ubject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Austrian Versus Texas Wild Boar Meat
> Dear Maury:
> I am expert on part of this subject!
> For years in Austria, I'd ride the fence on my horse 4 seasons a year to
> heck for places where wild boars had dug through or under the fences in the
> arnabrunner Wald in Lower Austria.  For this task, I was awarded a free
> ild boar each year (with me at the trigger of my accurized Winchester Model
> 894 .30-30) and they all tasted "real good".  I did this memorable task
> rom 1981 through 1988, so I was quite conscious of the potential effects of
> he Chernobyl accident. 
> HOWEVER, following the accident, our hunting club submitted a wild boar shot
> and refrigerated) the autumn before Chernobyl for testing.  The report was
> hat it was badly radioactively contaminated, so we tended not to believe
> nything we were told after that.  I also shot quite a few pheasant, duck &
> oe deer in Austria, and they all tasted "real good", too!
> Heck, I've even been snipe hunting in Austria, too!  (The real kind!)
> I also have significant experience with the succulent rattlesnakes of
> olorado during years of field exploration for uranium, and they all tasted
> real good", too!  I had them roasted, broiled, barbequed, turned into Chile
> nd even curried & served on a bed of rice with mandarin oranges. I never
> hecked to see if they were particularly radioactive or not, but their
> attle sounded quite similar to my scintillation counter, so they might have
> een.
> Those critters all tasted "real good"!
> But, I've never been wild boar hunting in Texas...
> The wild boar around Chernobyl tend to dig up the countryside as well!  I
> njoyed the Pripyat Swamp in 1996 and 1996.
> Dan ii
> --
> an W McCarn, Geologist
> 08 Sherwood Blvd
> os Alamos, NM 87544-3425
> 1-505-672-2014 (Home – New Mexico)
> 1-505-670-8123 (Mobile - New Mexico)
> otGreenChile at gmail.com (Private email) HotGreenChile at gmail dot com
> 
> ----Original Message-----
> rom: radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu
> mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of Maury
> ent: Sunday, June 05, 2011 15:54
> o: Gilbert Keeney; Franz Schönhofer
> c: The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) Mailing List
> ubject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Austrian Versus Texas Wild Boar Meat
> Thanks, Neil, I'd forgotten that they are here -- I'll try to find a source.
>  like cabrito, but never thought to seek a source for boar. Thanks.
> And it surely would a great pleasure to dine at Franz's table but yes, the
> ir fare is a deterrent ...
> aury&Dog
> =======================
> n 6/5/2011 3:29 PM, neilkeeney at aol.com wrote:
>  Maury,
> 
>  As you know, there are literally tons of wild boar on the hoof over 
>  there
> n Texas.  You don't need to import it from Austria.  I know that in Texas,
> hey ruin rice and row-crop production with their feeding habits.
> 
>  I recall that here in the U.S., during the fall and winter large 
>  portions
> f the the diet of wild pigs consists of acorns and acorn 'mash' that
> ccumulate in washes, runnels, stream beds and the like.  Perhaps the Oaks
> f Austria (sounds picturesque)) serve to concentrate Cs-137 in the acorn
> roduction...
> 
>  Regards,
> 
>  Neil Keeney
> ---------------snipped------------
> ______________________________________________
> ou are currently subscribed to the RadSafe mailing list
> Before posting a message to RadSafe be sure to have read and understood the
> adSafe rules. These can be found at:
> ttp://health.phys.iit.edu/radsaferules.html
> For information on how to subscribe or unsubscribe and other settings visit:
> ttp://health.phys.iit.edu
> _______________________________________________
> ou are currently subscribed to the RadSafe mailing list
> Before posting a message to RadSafe be sure to have read and understood the
> adSafe rules. These can be found at:
> ttp://health.phys.iit.edu/radsaferules.html
> For information on how to subscribe or unsubscribe and other settings visit:
> ttp://health.phys.iit.edu
> 
> _______________________________________________
> You are currently subscribed to the RadSafe mailing list
> 
> Before posting a message to RadSafe be sure to have read and understood the RadSafe rules. These can be found at: http://health.phys.iit.edu/radsaferules.html
> 
> For information on how to subscribe or unsubscribe and other settings visit: http://health.phys.iit.edu
> _______________________________________________
You are currently subscribed to the RadSafe mailing list

Before posting a message to RadSafe be sure to have read and understood the RadSafe rules. These can be found at: http://health.phys.iit.edu/radsaferules.html

For information on how to subscribe or unsubscribe and other settings visit: http://health.phys.iit.edu

--
Franz Schoenhofer, PhD, MinRat
Habicherg. 31/7
A-1160 Vienna
Austria
mobile: ++43 699 1706 1227