[ RadSafe ] Hot particles on automobile air filters

Fri Jun 24 14:38:35 CDT 2011

Now, once for all, Chris Busby, could you please follow the convention, which has been followed almost since decades without explicit prescription  on RADSAFE and on any other newsgroup: Separate your answer clearly discernable from your repreat of former messages, Restrict your repeating of previous messages to a minimum - we do not need them, because they are all online and you hardly ever refere to all those messages long ago. This makes me suspicious that you want to fool RADSAFErs.

Sorry, I could not find any answer of you after searching a few minutes. Could you repeat your message in a readable and acceptable manner? We usually do this by clearly dividing answer from citation. I still believe that you do this purpously to fool RADSAFErs.In case this would not be true - change your routine. 

If you do not want to be read, why do you post on RADSAFE? 

Franz

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> I'm curious about the retention efficiency of iodine vs cesium on these filters.  I know the chemical form of the iodine would affect its collection efficiency, but typically carbon filters, not particulate filters, are used to (most efficiently) collect iodine species.  Also, it's noted that the filters have been in transit for a long time - is that long compared to I-131's 8-day half-life, or just long compared to the radon progenies' half-lives? 
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> Cindy Bloom  
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> From: "Chris Busby" <C.Busby at ulster.ac.uk> 
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> A simple demonstration we used to show to junior school students about natural radioactivity was to cover the nozzle of a vacuum cleaner with a filter paper, turn on the cleaner for 5 to 10 minutes and then put the filter paper in front of a GM counter.  There were normally sufficient radon progeny on the filter paper to give a significant count rate above the background.  The same would be expected on an automobile air filter shortly after it is taken out of a running engine. 
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> That is probably nothing new, unless the gamma spectrum shows that there are something else other than radon progeny. 
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> Clement Cheng 
> Radiation Health Unit 
> Department of Health 
> Hong Kong SAR, China 
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> > ???: "Brennan, Mike  (DOH)" <Mike.Brennan at DOH.WA.GOV> 
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> > Ah, so the data is robust enough to share with friends, so they can 
> > spread the news worldwide, but not robust enough to expose to 
> > potentially critical examination.   
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> > How very, very, usual. 
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> > >Sorry, Its not my data and you will have to wait for it to be 
> > published. It was meaursed in the USA by a colleague. I do however have 
> > my own data and will share it with you in due course. 
> > Sincerely 
> > Chris 
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> > Sinecerly 
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> But these filters have been across the Pacific and in the mail system for a long time. The gamma spectrum of the filters shows Cs137 and I131. What you say is that the particles in the filters are hot (register as splashes on Xray film) becasue of radon daughters? yes? 
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> I agree
> But there was a lot more Iodine than Cs to begin with; we saw the same effect in Europe
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