[ RadSafe ] Nuclear Physics Political Demise atOregonStateUniversity

Sat Mar 26 16:09:53 CDT 2011

Franz:

I was in Italy a few years ago and still have some cousins there.  Their
children were learning English.  They were in (what we call[or use to])
grammar school.   My cousin who is a Pediatrician made sure his daughter
learned English.  Where she works it came in handy.  Whenever I visited him 
he would only speak to me in Italian.
Only exception was when my wife was with me.  She took Latin in school, but 
unfortunately no one except Priests speak it.

Ed Baratta

-----Original Message----- 
From: Franz Schönhofer
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 6:35 PM
To: 'The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) MailingList'
Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Nuclear Physics Political Demise
atOregonStateUniversity

Ed,

You are right. English has been established worldwide in the scientific
community of radiation science as the prime language. Conferences on this
topic are held worldwide (also in Germany and Austria) in English without
translation. The same is true for Spain, Brazil, Morocco, Czech Republic,
Hungary, Japan etc. etc. I believe that this is an advantage, when people
have a common language they can communicate in. This does not prevent them
to use their native or other languages to collegues in mutual talks.

Please note that in my home country Austria children start "learning"
English already at the age of about 8 years, and at the age of 10 they start
learning it for full. I was very surprised, when my younger son, whom I had
taken with me to Arizona, when he was 10 years started to talk with the
children of my friends in English! (He would not speak it with grown ups,
including me....)

I really have a wish, connected to radiation protection:

The whole world is learning English, but the USA is still sticking to
radiation units being more than outdated in almost all of what US-hardliners
call "rest of the world". The USA will soon be the only country in this
world using them.

Best regards,

Franz

Franz Schoenhofer, PhD
MinRat i.R.
Habicherg. 31/7
A-1160 Wien/Vienna
AUSTRIA

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
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[mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] Im Auftrag von
edmond0033 at comcast.net
Gesendet: Freitag, 25. März 2011 22:10
An: The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) Mailing List
Betreff: Re: [ RadSafe ] Nuclear Physics Political Demise at
OregonStateUniversity

It probably did.  I know when I had Chemistry, we had to learn some German,
because many of the papers were in German.  This is no longer true.

Ed Baratta

-----Original Message----- 
From: bobcherry at satx.rr.com
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 4:17 PM
To: The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) Mailing List
Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Nuclear Physics Political Demise at Oregon
StateUniversity

"Germany also had political command of science in the past, with great harm
to
science."

This is true to some extent for science in general. However, the greatest
harm, ironically and appropriately IMO, was to German science specifically.
Many, if not most, of the best German physicists, including Einstein, left
Germany for better (i.e., safer) conditions. This was of great benefit to
American science in particular. This "lost" generation of German physicists
made great lasting contributions in their new countries, both in their own
right and in their education and mentorship of subsequent generations of
physicists. German physics, once the greatest in the world, has not
recovered from this exodus.

I don't know about other basic sciences. Did something similar occur in
chemistry and biology?

Bob C

---- garyi at trinityphysics.com wrote:
> Howard,
>
> Thanks very much for sharing this.  Because it is a nuclear physics
> program, the relevance is
> obvious.  If it was a medical school, I would still be interested but I
> would expect the medical
> professionals to take the lead in any intervention or investigation.
>
> -Gary Isenhower
>
> On 24 Mar 2011 at 19:09, Howard wrote:
>
> Franz,
> Germany also had political command of science in the past, with great harm

> to science.
> I do not agree that policial bribery to determine scientific degree (or
> obstruction thereof) is
> "geographically very confined" and should be ignored if not in one's own
> institution.
> Howard Long
>
> On Mar 24, 2011, at 4:31 PM, Franz Schönhofer
> <franz.schoenhofer at chello.at> wrote:
>
> > Howard et al.,
> >
> > Do you really think that this geographically very confined political
> > story
> > is appropriate for a so called "International Radiation Protection
> > (Health
> > Physics) Mailing List"? I do not think so.
> >
> > Franz
> >
> > Franz Schoenhofer, PhD
> > MinRat i.R.
> > Habicherg. 31/7
> > A-1160 Wien/Vienna
> > AUSTRIA
> >
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