[ RadSafe ] Boron-11 aneutronic fusion
James Salsman
jsalsman at gmail.com
Mon May 30 00:42:19 CDT 2011
Many people on this list have insinuated that I am opposed to nuclear power,
but I am strongly in favor of boron-11+proton fusion, because it is
aneutronic and thus does not produce any nuclear waste, unlike almost all
forms of fission and fusion power.
Are any health physicists working on B11 fusion human exposure cross
sections?
Regards,
James Salsman
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Need Manual for Alnor RAD-100 and RAD101R (B. Kanyar)
2. Now the anecdotes begin (Jeff Terry)
3. Re: The human sex odds at birth after theatmosphericatomic
bomb tests, after Chernobyl, and in the vicinity of nuclear
facilities (Busby Chris)
4. Re: Now the anecdotes begin (Doug Huffman)
5. Re: human sex odds at birth (derek.putley at tesco.net)
6. Hawaii Health Guide - Big Island Dairy Farmers fight
radiation with Boron (Roger Helbig)
7. Re: [Bulk] Hawaii Health Guide - Big Island Dairy Farmers
fight radiation with Boron (Tom Simpson)
8. Re: Hawaii Health Guide - Big Island Dairy Farmers fight
radiation with Boron (Perle, Sandy)
9. Re: Hawaii Health Guide - Big Island Dairy Farmers fight
radiation with Boron (Busby Chris)
10. Re: Hawaii Health Guide - Big Island Dairy Farmers
fightradiation with Boron (Busby Chris)
11. Re: Hawaii Health Guide - Big Island Dairy Farmers fight
radiation with Boron (Perle, Sandy)
12. Re: Hawaii Health Guide - Big Island Dairy
Farmersfightradiation with Boron (franz.schoenhofer at chello.at)
13. Re: Hawaii Health Guide - Big Island Dairy
Farmersfightradiation with Boron (franz.schoenhofer at chello.at)
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 28 May 2011 19:04:20 +0200
From: "B. Kanyar" <kanyarb at rekhiv.sote.hu>
Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Need Manual for Alnor RAD-100 and RAD101R
To: <radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu>
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Dear Consultant to ALNOR RAD 100/101, dear R.J. Gunter,
Now from the Radiation Protection Service of the Semmelweis Univ.
Budapest/Hungary (mainly focused to medical fileds, in relation of X-rays
and nuclear medicine, incl. personal dose monitoring) I am interesting of
the params of the Electronic Rad. Dose Meters Alnor RAD 100 and 101. Please
could you provide the manual(s) of them?
Kind regards,
Bela KANYAR, PhD in physics, head of the Service.
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 28 May 2011 22:26:50 -0500
From: Jeff Terry <terryj at iit.edu>
Subject: [ RadSafe ] Now the anecdotes begin
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Earless bunny blamed on Fukushima.
http://tinyurl.com/3mwqqsd
Jeff
Jeff Terry
Assoc. Professor of Physics
Life Science Bldg Rm 166
Illinois Institute of Technology
3101 S. Dearborn St.
Chicago IL 60616
630-252-9708
terryj at iit.edu
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 29 May 2011 10:07:30 +0100
From: "Busby Chris" <C.Busby at ulster.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] The human sex odds at birth after
theatmosphericatomic bomb tests, after Chernobyl, and in the
vicinity
of nuclear facilities
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Sorry Steven I must have missed that. Bogus. THis is because the ICRP66
human respiratory tract model was examined in a phD thesis referred to and
discussed by Ed Radford, ex Chair or BEIR III in his memoirs which I am
editing. He (Radford) says that the penetration depth of the alphas from
surface material in the lung was chosen by ICRP to be muchg lower than it
is, therefore reducing the number of target cells for exposure and reducing
the biological effectiveness for cancer induction per unit dose. Thertde was
much more. I believe this got published somewhere and Radford took it up
with ICRP but they ignored him. You may recall that Radford was pushed out
of BEIR and his concerns were marginalised.
The question of my expertise has been addressed in the UK and US courts by
those who do not wish to allow me to rtestify. In all cases they have been
unable to persuade the courts to take the position that you take. The item
youy refer to was sent to the court in the UK as evidence from some eminent
lawyers in the USA and is ony one of a number of similar letters writtn in
my support.
I think that you should ultimately assume that I know enough to assist the
courts in making decisions in this complex area.
Chris
-----Original Message-----
From: radsafe-bounces at agni.phys.iit.edu on behalf of Steven Dapra
Sent: Sat 28/05/2011 03:18
To: The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) Mailing List
Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] The human sex odds at birth after
theatmosphericatomic bomb tests, after Chernobyl, and in the vicinity of
nuclear facilities
At 02:00 PM 5/27/2011, you wrote:
>But the ECRR and the ICRP have exactly the same status. Can it be
>that you guys dont know this?
>They are both supposed to be independent.
>But just ask ICRP who funds it.
>It wont tell you.
Chris --- can you read English? Here's a link to the
ICRP. http://www.icrp.org/
Its funding is explained on the right side of the page, in
the last paragraph under the heading "About ICRP."
The ICRP has been operating for 83 years, and its work is
universally accepted. How long has the ECRR been in existence, and
how widely are its claims accepted?
With respect to 'sensible explanations,' a few weeks ago you
said an ICRP publication (No. 66?) had bogus coefficients, or
something like that. You used the word "bogus." I asked you why
they were "bogus," and so far you have not replied. How about a
"sensible explanation" for that? After all, according to your LLRC
report, you are an "expert" on radioactivity.
Steven Dapra
>ICRP has no official status. This is what its secretary Jack
>Valentin told us at a meeting in the European Parliament in 1997. He
>said, the European Parliament is free to consult any organisation
>for its advice.
>
>I still havent had any sensible explanation of the infant leukemias.
>Sincerely
>
>Chris
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Date: Sun, 29 May 2011 05:41:05 -0500
From: Doug Huffman <doug.huffman at wildblue.net>
Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Now the anecdotes begin
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Uh oh! Coincidence! In 1970 at INEL-NRF, we had earless bunnies and
they were significantly internally contaminated with radioactivity.
The cause of the earlessness was witnessed. They occasionally failed to
duck low enough into the sprinkler-head recesses in the greensward as
the mower passed over.
Someone decided to take one home as pet, I hope and not to eat, in his
lunchpail. It was detected by the exit portal monitor.
On 5/28/2011 22:26, Jeff Terry wrote:
> Earless bunny blamed on Fukushima.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/3mwqqsd
>
> Jeff
>
> Jeff Terry
> Assoc. Professor of Physics
> Life Science Bldg Rm 166
> Illinois Institute of Technology
> 3101 S. Dearborn St.
> Chicago IL 60616
> 630-252-9708
> terryj at iit.edu
>
>
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 29 May 2011 12:48:34 +0100
From: <derek.putley at tesco.net>
Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] human sex odds at birth
To: radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu
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Steven
Thankyou very much for taking the trouble to re-post those messages.
I have started my own "peer review" of the post-Chernobyl paper by Prof.
Busby, but I fear that it is going to take me some tile before I will be
able to post properly respectful and detailed comments on radsafe.
I'm afraid I can only offer the usual excuses for progressing this at such a
slow pace, including my day-job and my other (self-funded) research work.
Since Chernobyl happened some years ago, I expect that other far better
qualified than myself have already looked into this data quite extensively.
Kind Regards
Derek Putley.
>
> Message: 18
> Date: Sat, 28 May 2011 07:15:07 -0600
> From: Steven Dapra <sjd at swcp.com>
> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] The human sex odds at birth after
> theatmosphericatomic bomb tests, after Chernobyl, and in the
vicinity
> of nuclear facilities
> To: "The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) Mailing
> List" <radsafe at agni.phys.iit.edu>
> Message-ID: <201105281315.p4SDF8LU027491 at ame7.swcp.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>
> May 28
>
> Since Chris Busby complained (below) that no one has
> presented a "sensible explanation" of the post-Chernobyl infant
> leukemias, I have reproduced my brief critique of his article. Then
> I reproduce his reply, and the germane portion of my rejoinder to
> that. My rejoinder was never answered. Below that are the
> References to my critique of Busby.
>
> Steven Dapra
>
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 29 May 2011 05:08:26 -0700
From: "Roger Helbig" <rhelbig at sfo.com>
Subject: [ RadSafe ] Hawaii Health Guide - Big Island Dairy Farmers
fight radiation with Boron
To: "Radsafe" <radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu>
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http://hawaiihealthguide.com/healthtalk/display.htm?id=915&hhsid=9ea42c3eb9d
93ab4faf7ca3cd98ee6d8
I strongly suspect that these well meaning dairy farmers are doing more harm
than good. Is that the case or does sodium borate do no harm? If it does
harm especially to the resulting milk, then the State of Hawaii's health
department should be made aware of this.
Roger Helbig
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 29 May 2011 08:28:40 -0400
From: Tom Simpson <bullet308 at att.net>
Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] [Bulk] Hawaii Health Guide - Big Island Dairy
Farmers fight radiation with Boron
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Based on what the Wikipedia has to say:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_borate#Toxicity
its not particularly toxic, but its not something I particularly care to
ingest, either.
-Tom
On 05/29/2011 08:08 AM, Roger Helbig wrote:
>
http://hawaiihealthguide.com/healthtalk/display.htm?id=915&hhsid=9ea42c3eb9d
> 93ab4faf7ca3cd98ee6d8
>
> I strongly suspect that these well meaning dairy farmers are doing more
harm
> than good. Is that the case or does sodium borate do no harm? If it does
> harm especially to the resulting milk, then the State of Hawaii's health
> department should be made aware of this.
>
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 29 May 2011 07:43:37 -0500
From: "Perle, Sandy" <sperle at mirion.com>
Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Hawaii Health Guide - Big Island Dairy
Farmers fight radiation with Boron
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Roger,
Good example where govt. And respected scientists, preferably from with the
local community would speak out and have the appropriate facts.
Regards,
Sandy
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Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2011 8:09 AM
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Subject: [ RadSafe ] Hawaii Health Guide - Big Island Dairy Farmers fight
radiation with Boron
http://hawaiihealthguide.com/healthtalk/display.htm?id=915&hhsid=9ea42c3eb9d
93ab4faf7ca3cd98ee6d8
I strongly suspect that these well meaning dairy farmers are doing more harm
than good. Is that the case or does sodium borate do no harm? If it does
harm especially to the resulting milk, then the State of Hawaii's health
department should be made aware of this.
Roger Helbig
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Date: Sun, 29 May 2011 16:07:32 +0100
From: "Busby Chris" <C.Busby at ulster.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Hawaii Health Guide - Big Island Dairy
Farmers fight radiation with Boron
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There is no physics or chemistry based basis for this idiocy. How can borax
help in this situation? If the cows are contaminated the milk is
contaminated. Boron absorbs neutrons in a neutron field. I hope there are no
neutrons inb the cows.
They could perhaps push out the uranium and strontium with calcium
supplements. That might work. Its the Sr and U and PU that are the nasty
nuclides here in the milk.
Chris
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Sent: Sun 29/05/2011 13:43
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Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Hawaii Health Guide - Big Island Dairy Farmers
fight radiation with Boron
Roger,
Good example where govt. And respected scientists, preferably from with the
local community would speak out and have the appropriate facts.
Regards,
Sandy
Sent from my Windows phone from AT&T
-----Original Message-----
From: Roger Helbig <rhelbig at sfo.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2011 8:09 AM
To: Radsafe <radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu>
Subject: [ RadSafe ] Hawaii Health Guide - Big Island Dairy Farmers fight
radiation with Boron
http://hawaiihealthguide.com/healthtalk/display.htm?id=915&hhsid=9ea42c3eb9d
93ab4faf7ca3cd98ee6d8
I strongly suspect that these well meaning dairy farmers are doing more harm
than good. Is that the case or does sodium borate do no harm? If it does
harm especially to the resulting milk, then the State of Hawaii's health
department should be made aware of this.
Roger Helbig
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Date: Sun, 29 May 2011 16:11:56 +0100
From: "Busby Chris" <C.Busby at ulster.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Hawaii Health Guide - Big Island Dairy
Farmers fightradiation with Boron
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Agree with Helbig
Chris
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Sent: Sun 29/05/2011 13:08
To: Radsafe
Subject: [ RadSafe ] Hawaii Health Guide - Big Island Dairy Farmers
fightradiation with Boron
http://hawaiihealthguide.com/healthtalk/display.htm?id=915&hhsid=9ea42c3eb9d
93ab4faf7ca3cd98ee6d8
I strongly suspect that these well meaning dairy farmers are doing more harm
than good. Is that the case or does sodium borate do no harm? If it does
harm especially to the resulting milk, then the State of Hawaii's health
department should be made aware of this.
Roger Helbig
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Date: Sun, 29 May 2011 10:16:49 -0500
From: "Perle, Sandy" <sperle at mirion.com>
Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Hawaii Health Guide - Big Island Dairy
Farmers fight radiation with Boron
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Chris,
Absolutely ludicrious. These remedies should be quashed expeditiously. This
also affords false sense of security. There is none.
Regards,
Sandy
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Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2011 11:12 AM
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Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Hawaii Health Guide - Big Island Dairy Farmers
fight radiation with Boron
There is no physics or chemistry based basis for this idiocy. How can borax
help in this situation? If the cows are contaminated the milk is
contaminated. Boron absorbs neutrons in a neutron field. I hope there are no
neutrons inb the cows.
They could perhaps push out the uranium and strontium with calcium
supplements. That might work. Its the Sr and U and PU that are the nasty
nuclides here in the milk.
Chris
-----Originoral Message-----
From: radsafe-bounces at agni.phys.iit.edu on behalf of Perle, Sandy
Sent: Sun 29/05/2011 13:43
To: The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) Mailing List
Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Hawaii Health Guide - Big Island Dairy Farmers
fight radiation with Boron
Roger,
Good example where govt. And respected scientists, preferably from with the
local community would speak out and have the appropriate facts.
Regards,
Sandy
Sent from my Windows phone from AT&T
-----Original Message-----
From: Roger Helbig <rhelbig at sfo.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2011 8:09 AM
To: Radsafe <radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu>
Subject: [ RadSafe ] Hawaii Health Guide - Big Island Dairy Farmers fight
radiation with Boron
http://hawaiihealthguide.com/healthtalk/display.htm?id=915&hhsid=9ea42c3eb9d
93ab4faf7ca3cd98ee6d8
I strongly suspect that these well meaning dairy farmers are doing more harm
than good. Is that the case or does sodium borate do no harm? If it does
harm especially to the resulting milk, then the State of Hawaii's health
department should be made aware of this.
Roger Helbig
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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 29 May 2011 18:20:52 +0200
From: <franz.schoenhofer at chello.at>
Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Hawaii Health Guide - Big Island Dairy
Farmersfightradiation with Boron
To: "The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) Mailing
List" <radsafe at agni.phys.iit.edu>, "The International Radiation
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Cc: Busby Chris <C.Busby at ulster.ac.uk>
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RADSAFErs,
I am shocked, I am deeply shocked! Chris Busby makes a (partly) correct
statement on RADSAFE!!!!!!!
I loan the word "idiocy" from him for the original story. There is so much
nonsense in this statement from Hawaii (who is behind it?), that if I ever
had started to collect such statements it would be a favourite.
Maybe I'll find time to comment the original message a little closer. I am a
member of the International Union of Radioecologists, a real organisation,
not a fake one like Busbys "European Commission of something with
radiation". I have suffered many years from the Chernobyl aftermath in
Austria - of course only because of the hysteria and the drawback in my
carreer, because I did not support the hysteria and thought that other -
naturally occurring radionuclides - were of much more importance for human
radiation exposure than the finally hardly measurable ultra traces of
Cs-137.
Chris, you are insofar wrong: Although I also hope that cows have not
ingested neutron sources, you should be aware that Sr-90 is deposited in
bones and it is hardly, if at all, possible to get rid of it. Uranium
concentration is enhanced in other organs - use the ICRP XX or the valid EU
directive to find out about critical organs - I am not going to do this for
you, unless you make a reasonable financial offer, which should not be so
difficult because of your obvious fine income for instance from US lawfirms.
Regarding the hazards from plutonium (I suppose you mean Pu-239?) I refrain
to comment on this nonsense. If you know about any measurements of Pu-239 in
milk I would appreciate to learn about them. You seem not even to be aware,
that the long term concern is Cs-137, short term also Cs-134. There have
been more than enough experiments after Chernobyl on how to reduce the
Cs-137 in milk, with limited success. I think that a reduction by a factor
two does not justify the e
ffort and the costs.
Why don't you try to avoid the antinuclear bla-bla like uranium and
plutonium in milk is a concern if you want to be acknowledged as a
scientist? I know, that "plutonium" sounds extremely well in anti-nuclear
propaganda!
Best regards,
Franz
---- Busby Chris <C.Busby at ulster.ac.uk> schrieb:
> There is no physics or chemistry based for this idiocy. How can borax help
in this situation? If the cows are contaminated the milk is contaminated.
Boron absorbs neutrons in a neutron field. I hope there are no neutrons inb
the cows.
> They could perhaps push out the uranium and strontium with calcium
supplements. That might work. Its the Sr and U and PU that are the nasty
nuclides here in the milk.
> Chris
>
>
> -----Originoral Message-----
> From: radsafe-bounces at agni.phys.iit.edu on behalf of Perle, Sandy
> Sent: Sun 29/05/2011 13:43
> To: The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Hawaii Health Guide - Big Island Dairy Farmers
fight radiation with Boron
>
> Roger,
>
> Good example where govt. And respected scientists, preferably from with
the local community would speak out and have the appropriate facts.
>
> Regards,
> Sandy
> Sent from my Windows phone from AT&T
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roger Helbig <rhelbig at sfo.com>
> Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2011 8:09 AM
> To: Radsafe <radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu>
> Subject: [ RadSafe ] Hawaii Health Guide - Big Island Dairy Farmers fight
radiation with Boron
>
>
>
http://hawaiihealthguide.com/healthtalk/display.htm?id=915&hhsid=9ea42c3eb9d
> 93ab4faf7ca3cd98ee6d8
>
> I strongly suspect that these well meaning dairy farmers are doing more
harm
> than good. Is that the case or does sodium borate do no harm? If it does
> harm especially to the resulting milk, then the State of Hawaii's health
> department should be made aware of this.
>
> Roger Helbig
>
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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 29 May 2011 18:20:52 +0200
From: <franz.schoenhofer at chello.at>
Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Hawaii Health Guide - Big Island Dairy
Farmersfightradiation with Boron
To: "The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) Mailing
List" <radsafe at agni.phys.iit.edu>, "The International Radiation
Protection (Health Physics) MailingList" <
radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu>
Cc: Busby Chris <C.Busby at ulster.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <20110529182054.H735V.88426.root at viefep21.chello.at>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
RADSAFErs,
I am shocked, I am deeply shocked! Chris Busby makes a (partly) correct
statement on RADSAFE!!!!!!!
I loan the word "idiocy" from him for the original story. There is so much
nonsense in this statement from Hawaii (who is behind it?), that if I ever
had started to collect such statements it would be a favourite.
Maybe I'll find time to comment the original message a little closer. I am a
member of the International Union of Radioecologists, a real organisation,
not a fake one like Busbys "European Commission of something with
radiation". I have suffered many years from the Chernobyl aftermath in
Austria - of course only because of the hysteria and the drawback in my
carreer, because I did not support the hysteria and thought that other -
naturally occurring radionuclides - were of much more importance for human
radiation exposure than the finally hardly measurable ultra traces of
Cs-137.
Chris, you are insofar wrong: Although I also hope that cows have not
ingested neutron sources, you should be aware that Sr-90 is deposited in
bones and it is hardly, if at all, possible to get rid of it. Uranium
concentration is enhanced in other organs - use the ICRP XX or the valid EU
directive to find out about critical organs - I am not going to do this for
you, unless you make a reasonable financial offer, which should not be so
difficult because of your obvious fine income for instance from US lawfirms.
Regarding the hazards from plutonium (I suppose you mean Pu-239?) I refrain
to comment on this nonsense. If you know about any measurements of Pu-239 in
milk I would appreciate to learn about them. You seem not even to be aware,
that the long term concern is Cs-137, short term also Cs-134. There have
been more than enough experiments after Chernobyl on how to reduce the
Cs-137 in milk, with limited success. I think that a reduction by a factor
two does not justify the e
ffort and the costs.
Why don't you try to avoid the antinuclear bla-bla like uranium and
plutonium in milk is a concern if you want to be acknowledged as a
scientist? I know, that "plutonium" sounds extremely well in anti-nuclear
propaganda!
Best regards,
Franz
---- Busby Chris <C.Busby at ulster.ac.uk> schrieb:
> There is no physics or chemistry based for this idiocy. How can borax help
in this situation? If the cows are contaminated the milk is contaminated.
Boron absorbs neutrons in a neutron field. I hope there are no neutrons inb
the cows.
> They could perhaps push out the uranium and strontium with calcium
supplements. That might work. Its the Sr and U and PU that are the nasty
nuclides here in the milk.
> Chris
>
>
> -----Originoral Message-----
> From: radsafe-bounces at agni.phys.iit.edu on behalf of Perle, Sandy
> Sent: Sun 29/05/2011 13:43
> To: The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Hawaii Health Guide - Big Island Dairy Farmers
fight radiation with Boron
>
> Roger,
>
> Good example where govt. And respected scientists, preferably from with
the local community would speak out and have the appropriate facts.
>
> Regards,
> Sandy
> Sent from my Windows phone from AT&T
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roger Helbig <rhelbig at sfo.com>
> Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2011 8:09 AM
> To: Radsafe <radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu>
> Subject: [ RadSafe ] Hawaii Health Guide - Big Island Dairy Farmers fight
radiation with Boron
>
>
>
http://hawaiihealthguide.com/healthtalk/display.htm?id=915&hhsid=9ea42c3eb9d
> 93ab4faf7ca3cd98ee6d8
>
> I strongly suspect that these well meaning dairy farmers are doing more
harm
> than good. Is that the case or does sodium borate do no harm? If it does
> harm especially to the resulting milk, then the State of Hawaii's health
> department should be made aware of this.
>
> Roger Helbig
>
> _______________________________________________
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