[ RadSafe ] Wind Turbine effect on local Meteorology - "RIP"[Reduction Insolance Phenonmenon]

Tue Nov 8 14:20:50 CST 2011

That is what trees do and it is a good thing. So when they cut all the trees down, the windmills substitute and the farmers are happy. 
But someone once argued that the real problem with windmills is that they make the earth spin more slowly (ballerina effect). Im surprised you dont use that one. 
Chris

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Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Wind Turbine effect on local Meteorology - "RIP"[Reduction Insolance Phenonmenon]

I have driven down Interstate 65 in Indiana through the contrails from the windmills. It can be the only point in the state where it is "raining."

Jeff

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On Nov 7, 2011, at 12:52 PM, Stewart Farber <SAFarber at optonline.net> wrote:

> The info below is not a Satire.
> 
> 
> 
> A fascinating photo is seen below, showing that when air has a relative
> humidity close to the dewpoint, it will be cooled by large commercial wind
> turbines as energy is abstracted from the air sweeping the blades to below
> the dewpoint, which results in:
> 
> Cloud formation [and  reduced ground level temperatures, and reduced solar
> insolation]  many miles downstream of the wind turbines. 
> 
> 
> 
> See:
> 
> 
> 
> http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/04/28/the-wind-turbine-albedo-effect/
> 
> 
> 
> I have a modest suggestion for the name of this effect:
> 
> 
> 
> "Reduction Insolation Phenomenon"  [ RIP ]
> 
> 
> 
> As a humorous thought, if there are people downwind of a wind turbine farm,
> and they have solar panels, the cloud cover created by the energy abstracted
> from the wind in producing wind generated electricity,  will reduce solar
> insolation due to INCREASED  Albedo. This will DECREASE solar panel
> generated electricity since less sunlight will be incident on their solar
> panels -on average.  In the right conditions, there would also be some
> increased snow formation downwind of a large wind turbine as air is cooled
> below the dewpoint to the point snow, or freezing rain, can form. 
> 
> 
> 
> This occurrence is but another example of the  "Law of Unintended
> Consequences". See the Wiki review comment below about the somewhat
> analogous effect of artificial clouds created by contrails from jet traffic
> or the obscuring of insolation by smoke from burning oil wells in Kuwait,
> that dropped the ground level temp under the obscuring clouds of smoke by as
> much as 10 degrees C!! The clouds formed by wind turbines near groud level
> will have much less effect than a cloud formed a higher altitudes, but there
> will be local albedo and solar insolation effects from wind turbines under
> certain conditions,  reducing sunlight at ground level. Cool in so many
> ways!
> 
> 
> 
> FROM WIKIPEDIA:
> 
> Cloud albedo <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_albedo>  has substantial
> influence over atmospheric temperatures. Different types of clouds exhibit
> different reflectivity, theoretically ranging in albedo from a minimum of
> near 0 to a maximum approaching 0.8. "On any given day, about half of Earth
> is covered by clouds, which reflect more sunlight than land and water.
> Clouds keep Earth cool by reflecting sunlight, but they can also serve as
> blankets to trap warmth."
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albedo#cite_note-livescience-23> [24]
> 
> Albedo and climate in some areas are affected by artificial clouds, such as
> those created by the contrails <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contrail>  of
> heavy commercial airliner traffic.
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albedo#cite_note-uww-24> [25] A study
> following the burning of the Kuwaiti oil fields during Iraqi occupation
> showed that temperatures under the burning oil fires were as much as 10oC
> colder than temperatures several miles away under clear skies.
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albedo#cite_note-harvard-25> [26]
> 
> 25.  ^ <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albedo#cite_ref-uww_24-0>
> http://facstaff.uww.edu/travisd/pdf/jetcontrailsrecentresearch.pdf
> 
> 26. ^ <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albedo#cite_ref-harvard_25-0>
> <http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1992JGR....9714565C> "The Kuwait oil fires as
> seen by Landsat".  Adsabs.harvard.edu. 1991-05-30.
> http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1992JGR....9714565C. Retrieved 2011-08-19.
> 
> ===========================
> 
> So I might encourage other people to waste their time, I welcome any
> suggestions for an Acronym for this phenomenon of increased cloud formation,
> decreased temperatures, and lowered solar insolation downwind of wind
> turbine farms. 
> 
> 
> 
> The "winner" [ or perhaps "loser" depending on your point of view, or anyone
> that wants it for some unknown reason]  will receive a pdf copy of my 1982,
> but still timely, LOBA [Loss of Blade Accident] Satire and the hilarious
> Letters-to-the-Editor responses from people who didn't understand a Satire
> when they read it. 
> 
> 
> 
> Stewart Farber, MSPH
> 
> Farber Medical Solutions, LLC
> 
> Bridgeport, CT 06606
> 
> email: SAFarber at optonline.net
> 
> 203-441-8433
> 
> 
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