[ RadSafe ] Wind Turbine effect on local Meteorology - "RIP"[Reduction Insolance Phenonmenon]

Tue Nov 8 14:33:38 CST 2011

Wow Chris,

There must be some fast moving trees in the UK to form contrails off the leaves. 

Jeff

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On Nov 8, 2011, at 2:20 PM, "Busby, Chris" <C.Busby at ulster.ac.uk> wrote:

> That is what trees do and it is a good thing. So when they cut all the trees down, the windmills substitute and the farmers are happy. 
> But someone once argued that the real problem with windmills is that they make the earth spin more slowly (ballerina effect). Im surprised you dont use that one. 
> Chris
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: radsafe-bounces at agni.phys.iit.edu on behalf of Jeff Terry
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> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Wind Turbine effect on local Meteorology - "RIP"[Reduction Insolance Phenonmenon]
> 
> I have driven down Interstate 65 in Indiana through the contrails from the windmills. It can be the only point in the state where it is "raining."
> 
> Jeff
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Nov 7, 2011, at 12:52 PM, Stewart Farber <SAFarber at optonline.net> wrote:
> 
>> The info below is not a Satire.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> A fascinating photo is seen below, showing that when air has a relative
>> humidity close to the dewpoint, it will be cooled by large commercial wind
>> turbines as energy is abstracted from the air sweeping the blades to below
>> the dewpoint, which results in:
>> 
>> Cloud formation [and  reduced ground level temperatures, and reduced solar
>> insolation]  many miles downstream of the wind turbines. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> See:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/04/28/the-wind-turbine-albedo-effect/
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I have a modest suggestion for the name of this effect:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> "Reduction Insolation Phenomenon"  [ RIP ]
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> As a humorous thought, if there are people downwind of a wind turbine farm,
>> and they have solar panels, the cloud cover created by the energy abstracted
>> from the wind in producing wind generated electricity,  will reduce solar
>> insolation due to INCREASED  Albedo. This will DECREASE solar panel
>> generated electricity since less sunlight will be incident on their solar
>> panels -on average.  In the right conditions, there would also be some
>> increased snow formation downwind of a large wind turbine as air is cooled
>> below the dewpoint to the point snow, or freezing rain, can form. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> This occurrence is but another example of the  "Law of Unintended
>> Consequences". See the Wiki review comment below about the somewhat
>> analogous effect of artificial clouds created by contrails from jet traffic
>> or the obscuring of insolation by smoke from burning oil wells in Kuwait,
>> that dropped the ground level temp under the obscuring clouds of smoke by as
>> much as 10 degrees C!! The clouds formed by wind turbines near groud level
>> will have much less effect than a cloud formed a higher altitudes, but there
>> will be local albedo and solar insolation effects from wind turbines under
>> certain conditions,  reducing sunlight at ground level. Cool in so many
>> ways!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> FROM WIKIPEDIA:
>> 
>> Cloud albedo <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_albedo>  has substantial
>> influence over atmospheric temperatures. Different types of clouds exhibit
>> different reflectivity, theoretically ranging in albedo from a minimum of
>> near 0 to a maximum approaching 0.8. "On any given day, about half of Earth
>> is covered by clouds, which reflect more sunlight than land and water.
>> Clouds keep Earth cool by reflecting sunlight, but they can also serve as
>> blankets to trap warmth."
>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albedo#cite_note-livescience-23> [24]
>> 
>> Albedo and climate in some areas are affected by artificial clouds, such as
>> those created by the contrails <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contrail>  of
>> heavy commercial airliner traffic.
>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albedo#cite_note-uww-24> [25] A study
>> following the burning of the Kuwaiti oil fields during Iraqi occupation
>> showed that temperatures under the burning oil fires were as much as 10oC
>> colder than temperatures several miles away under clear skies.
>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albedo#cite_note-harvard-25> [26]
>> 
>> 25.  ^ <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albedo#cite_ref-uww_24-0>
>> http://facstaff.uww.edu/travisd/pdf/jetcontrailsrecentresearch.pdf
>> 
>> 26. ^ <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albedo#cite_ref-harvard_25-0>
>> <http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1992JGR....9714565C> "The Kuwait oil fires as
>> seen by Landsat".  Adsabs.harvard.edu. 1991-05-30.
>> http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1992JGR....9714565C. Retrieved 2011-08-19.
>> 
>> ===========================
>> 
>> So I might encourage other people to waste their time, I welcome any
>> suggestions for an Acronym for this phenomenon of increased cloud formation,
>> decreased temperatures, and lowered solar insolation downwind of wind
>> turbine farms. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The "winner" [ or perhaps "loser" depending on your point of view, or anyone
>> that wants it for some unknown reason]  will receive a pdf copy of my 1982,
>> but still timely, LOBA [Loss of Blade Accident] Satire and the hilarious
>> Letters-to-the-Editor responses from people who didn't understand a Satire
>> when they read it. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Stewart Farber, MSPH
>> 
>> Farber Medical Solutions, LLC
>> 
>> Bridgeport, CT 06606
>> 
>> email: SAFarber at optonline.net
>> 
>> 203-441-8433
>> 
>> 
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