[ RadSafe ] US enriched uranium weapons caused Fallujah cancer, UK-Iraq s...

Tue Nov 29 15:36:02 CST 2011

Why? Because I am a Southerner. I believe that courtesy should be extended when the other party tries to be civil. 

Dan ii

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On Nov 29, 2011, at 2:21 PM, StevenFrey at aol.com wrote:

> Why extend any courtesy to Mr. Salsman? The willingness of this proud board 
> to even allow him access here continues to amaze.
> 
> Steve
> 
> 
> In a message dated 11/29/2011 3:45:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
> hotgreenchile at gmail.com writes:
> 
> Dear  James:
> 
> I understand your comments, and did not mean to suggest that  your 
> observations are invalid.
> 
> My deepest concern is that the RadSafe  group is being monitored by 
> non-professionals that have a hard time making  sense of various measurements, 
> claims and biases - with unfounded assertions  as well as with quantities and 
> units.  Thus, my conversion from mBq Kg-1  to a measurement used in regulatory 
> context, μg/L (microgram / Liter).   Since my background includes quite a 
> bit of geochemistry, and for my own  understanding, I tend to convert values 
> into units that I can use.  If I  was terse, please accept my apology.
> 
> My specific concern with the Busby  claim of "enriched uranium" in Fallujah 
> and elsewhere (Lebanon) in soils is  simply that based on the available 
> data, I do not believe it, and the data do  not support that assertion, not to 
> mention that the actual values measured are  quite low by environmental 
> standards.  Unfortunately, there are those who  are willing to believe 
> regardless of the source or in-validity of the claim.  
> 
> Sampling soil, ground & surface water and rock is a non-trivial  exercise 
> requiring extensive training, practice and understanding of the  methodology. 
> When little or no information is provided about sampling,  no differential 
> analysis of leached samples, nor a description and analysis of  the 
> uranium-bearing mineralogy of the soil, I am left to conclude that Busby’s  work 
> was no “study” at all in the scientific sense.
> 
> James, by the way,  I have understood the concept of differential 
> leachability of U-234 vs. U-238  in geomedia for decades (since 1975, at least) 
> because of the abundant  literature on uranium ore deposits and ore-forming 
> processes. I have been, of  course, a uranium geologist since 1975 although I’ve 
> done quite a few other  jobs since then (environmental hydrogeology, 
> geochemistry, hydrology, dog  & horse trainer).
> 
> Dan ii
> 
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> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From:  radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu  
> [mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of James  Salsman
> Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 13:43
> To:  radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu
> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] US enriched uranium  weapons caused Fallujah 
> cancer,UK-Iraq study finds
> 
> Dan McCarn  wrote:
> 
>> After reviewing the abstract of the paper that James  mentioned, the
>> concentration of uranium represented by 27 mBq-Kg-1  (0.027 Bq / Kg) is 
> about
>> 1 µg/L (1 microgram / L).  Most waters  have more than that.
> 
> I wasn't trying to imply that the West European  cheeses were
> contaminated, only that the uranium that they did contain had  an
> enriched isotope ratio, which was attributed to natural processes  by
> the authors. This assertion that chemical isotope separation  occurs
> naturally is consistent with the very different translocation rates  of
> uranium isotopes in the human body reported in BNWL-2500, Part 1,  pp.
> 379-380 (1978.)
> 
> If chemical isotope enrichment is a born secret  doctrine taboo topic,
> which seems very likely to me, then fine, but it's  not ethical to try
> to ridicule or discredit researchers who find enriched  ratios in
> groundwater.  Especially when only anti-DU researchers are  the ones
> who are subject to such ridicule.  Especially when  authorities keep
> telling bald faced lies about safety,  e.g.,
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2011/nov/14/minister-sorry-dangers-deplet
> ed-uranium
> 
> Back  to the topic, I can't find any reports of anyone looking at Iraqi
> dairy  products, which seems absurd given the amount of soil and
> groundwater  contamination studies which are published. Almost all of
> the food chain  studies of uranium contamination around geological
> deposits and mine  tailings in developed countries focus on dairy
> because it's the most  concentrated and bioavailable source in the
> human food chain (other than  the livers of Caribou that have eaten
> lichens around deposits somewhere in  Canada.) Domestic milk in Iraq is
> entirely from goats and sheep watered  from wells, so why isn't anyone
> looking at Iraqi  dairy?
> 
> Sincerely,
> James  Salsman
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