[ RadSafe ] US enriched uranium weapons caused Fallujah cancer, UK-Iraq s...
StevenFrey at aol.com
StevenFrey at aol.com
Tue Nov 29 18:13:24 CST 2011
Kudos! The world needs more kind, gentle souls.
However, any participant, even a "civil" one, who exploits this board to
try to get any other member fired from his/her radiation-safety-related job
purely over ideological differences is no gentleman. Mr. Salsman has done
exactly that. Actions speak louder than words, even "civil" words.
Some members feel immune from Mr. Salsman's tactics. Good for them. There
are others, though, who might not be so yet well established in this great
profession, like younger members who are still early in their careers. It is
this latter group that the likes of Mr. Salsman potentially can cause real
damage.
Why would any RADSAFE member want to offer anything here in RADSAFE,
knowing that a lurker might contact your employer claiming you are somehow
discrediting it? How many of us have the extra available time to devote to
countering such claims made to our supervisors, no matter how crackpot the
claims might be? Is this board allowing itself to evolve to where only the
well-established will participate as a result? RADSAFE is allowing its desire
to be "fair and inclusive" to have grown to a counterproductive extreme.
We have an implied obligation amongst ourselves to uphold the transparency
of this board and to prevent its misuse. Mr. Salsman (or whatever his/her
real name is; recall he/she has already written here that "James Salsman"
is not his/her real name), is not transparent as to he/she is, and has tried
to harm the employment of at least one member.
Even kind, gentle souls should recognize this reality.
Steve
In a message dated 11/29/2011 4:35:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
hotgreenchile at gmail.com writes:
Why? Because I am a Southerner. I believe that courtesy should be extended
when the other party tries to be civil.
Dan ii
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Dan W McCarn, Geologist
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HotGreenChile at gmail.com
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On Nov 29, 2011, at 2:21 PM, StevenFrey at aol.com wrote:
> Why extend any courtesy to Mr. Salsman? The willingness of this proud
board
> to even allow him access here continues to amaze.
>
> Steve
>
>
> In a message dated 11/29/2011 3:45:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> hotgreenchile at gmail.com writes:
>
> Dear James:
>
> I understand your comments, and did not mean to suggest that your
> observations are invalid.
>
> My deepest concern is that the RadSafe group is being monitored by
> non-professionals that have a hard time making sense of various
measurements,
> claims and biases - with unfounded assertions as well as with
quantities and
> units. Thus, my conversion from mBq Kg-1 to a measurement used in
regulatory
> context, μg/L (microgram / Liter). Since my background includes quite
a
> bit of geochemistry, and for my own understanding, I tend to convert
values
> into units that I can use. If I was terse, please accept my apology.
>
> My specific concern with the Busby claim of "enriched uranium" in
Fallujah
> and elsewhere (Lebanon) in soils is simply that based on the available
> data, I do not believe it, and the data do not support that assertion,
not to
> mention that the actual values measured are quite low by environmental
> standards. Unfortunately, there are those who are willing to believe
> regardless of the source or in-validity of the claim.
>
> Sampling soil, ground & surface water and rock is a non-trivial
exercise
> requiring extensive training, practice and understanding of the
methodology.
> When little or no information is provided about sampling, no
differential
> analysis of leached samples, nor a description and analysis of the
> uranium-bearing mineralogy of the soil, I am left to conclude that Busby’
s work
> was no “study” at all in the scientific sense.
>
> James, by the way, I have understood the concept of differential
> leachability of U-234 vs. U-238 in geomedia for decades (since 1975, at
least)
> because of the abundant literature on uranium ore deposits and
ore-forming
> processes. I have been, of course, a uranium geologist since 1975
although I’ve
> done quite a few other jobs since then (environmental hydrogeology,
> geochemistry, hydrology, dog & horse trainer).
>
> Dan ii
>
> --
> Dan W McCarn, Geologist
> 108 Sherwood Blvd
> Los Alamos, NM 87544-3425
> +1-505-672-2014 (Home – New Mexico)
> +1-505-670-8123 (Mobile - New Mexico)
> HotGreenChile at gmail.com (Private email) HotGreenChile at gmail dot com
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu
> [mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of James Salsman
> Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 13:43
> To: radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu
> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] US enriched uranium weapons caused Fallujah
> cancer,UK-Iraq study finds
>
> Dan McCarn wrote:
>
>> After reviewing the abstract of the paper that James mentioned, the
>> concentration of uranium represented by 27 mBq-Kg-1 (0.027 Bq / Kg) is
> about
>> 1 µg/L (1 microgram / L). Most waters have more than that.
>
> I wasn't trying to imply that the West European cheeses were
> contaminated, only that the uranium that they did contain had an
> enriched isotope ratio, which was attributed to natural processes by
> the authors. This assertion that chemical isotope separation occurs
> naturally is consistent with the very different translocation rates of
> uranium isotopes in the human body reported in BNWL-2500, Part 1, pp.
> 379-380 (1978.)
>
> If chemical isotope enrichment is a born secret doctrine taboo topic,
> which seems very likely to me, then fine, but it's not ethical to try
> to ridicule or discredit researchers who find enriched ratios in
> groundwater. Especially when only anti-DU researchers are the ones
> who are subject to such ridicule. Especially when authorities keep
> telling bald faced lies about safety, e.g.,
>
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2011/nov/14/minister-sorry-dangers-deplet
> ed-uranium
>
> Back to the topic, I can't find any reports of anyone looking at Iraqi
> dairy products, which seems absurd given the amount of soil and
> groundwater contamination studies which are published. Almost all of
> the food chain studies of uranium contamination around geological
> deposits and mine tailings in developed countries focus on dairy
> because it's the most concentrated and bioavailable source in the
> human food chain (other than the livers of Caribou that have eaten
> lichens around deposits somewhere in Canada.) Domestic milk in Iraq is
> entirely from goats and sheep watered from wells, so why isn't anyone
> looking at Iraqi dairy?
>
> Sincerely,
> James Salsman
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