[ RadSafe ] Drawing the line between science>andpseudo-science. (was Rational Thought) >

[franz.schoenhofer at chello.at]

Edmond,

Interesting to read that your e-mail about Sternglass was blocked. Chris Busby has sent dozens of e-mails without any information about his "sources" and if he had they proved to be at least questionable. 

The blocking of my e-mails is another question, one of the reasons of a blocking was, the word "nonsense" - there are more surprising decisions of the moderator. He has announced that no monitoring occurs now, but several e-mails from me have not shown up. They were all comparatively harmless - at least compared to the insults from Chris Busby, whose e-mails are forwarded without delay. 

Such is life!

Franz 




---- edmond0033 at comcast.net schrieb:
> John:
> 
> I'm glad you quoted the below.  A few months ago I was criticized by 
> RadSafe for not having backup information about Sternglass.  My E-Mail was 
> not sent out as a result.  I have been in this business for many decades and 
> have been aware of his 'speculations' and others, that try to (through the 
> media) cause the public to panic.
> 
> Thanks again John,
> 
> Ed Baratta
> 
> edmond0033 at comcast.net
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: John Ahlquist
> Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 3:46 PM
> To: Radsafe
> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Drawing the line between science 
>  >andpseudo-science. (was Rational Thought) >
> 
> I was at the 1971 HPS meeting at the Waldorf Astoria in NYC when this issue 
> was
> hot.  There was a lot of press there for the Sternglass show.  I addition to 
> the
> excellent statement below read by Dade Moeller, there was a presentation 
> showing
> how Sternglass had cherry picked data on infant problems.  He did a study of
> data in California but the period he used coincided with an outbreak  of 
> rubella
> {German measles] which causes at least a 20% chance  of damage to the fetus 
> if a
> woman is infected early in pregnancy.   The years before and after this
> outbreak, things were normal.
> 
> Right after Moeller read the statement, I heard Sternglass sigh "Now I know 
> how
> Galileo felt."
> 
> John Ahlquist
> 
> From: radsafe-bounces at agni.phys.iit.edu on behalf of Bob Cherry
> > Sent: Thu 06/10/2011 04:40
> > To: 'The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) Mailing List'
> > Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Drawing the line between science
> > andpseudo-science. (was Rational Thought)
> >
> > The December 1996 issue of the HPS Newsletter refers to an even earlier
> > issue:
> >
> > Every issue of the HPS Newsletter seems to have information
> > important enough to reference. The August
> > 1971 issue is no exception. An exceptional event was
> > described in that issue. After Ernest Sternglass presented
> > a paper on an epidemiological study describing health
> > effects from nuclear facilities discharges, Dade Moeller,
> > President-Elect, read a statement that had been signed by
> > Claire Palmiter, President. and all 13 past presidents of
> > the Society.
> >
> > In part. it stated that Sternglass had presented papers
> > in which he associates an increase in infant mortality
> > with low levels of radiation exposure ... His allegations
> > made in several forms, have in each instance been ana.
> > lyzed by scientists, physicians, and biostatisticians in the
> > federal government, in individual states that have been
> > involved in his reports. and by qualified scientists in other
> > countries. . Without exception, these agencies and scientists
> > have concluded that Dr. Sternglass' arguments are
> > not substantiated by the data he presents. The United
> > States Public Health Service, the Environmental Protection
> > Agency, the States of New York, Pennsylvania,
> > Michigan, and Illinois have issued formal reports in rebuttal
> > of Dr. Sternglass' arguments.
> >
> > Again. in spite of the efforts by the most respected
> > authorities to prevent the widespread broadcasting of
> > Sternglass' flawed perceptions, Sternglass was sought for
> > comments by the media and his story told countless times.
> > The public was presented with fearful misinformation.
> > Many members of the Society wanted stronger efforts to
> > counter erroneous information, but our story was not
> > considered newsworthy by the media.
> >
> > --from Bob C
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