[ RadSafe ] "mis-information from both TEPCO and the Japanese government immediately after the incident"

Tue Oct 11 13:41:09 CDT 2011

Franz,

It must be very difficult for you attain the level of competence and knowledge in all things that you believe that you have achieved. You continue to harass individuals, including me, with whom you do not agree, and then attack those individuals for following your example. You recommend that individuals be banned from Radsafe, and then state that you don't think people should be banned, yet you also forget there was much debate as to whether or not you should have been banned for your incessant attacks on individuals.

If you're going to attack me personally, please at least stop twisting my position on topics I do know a lot more about than you do. I am very pro-nuclear, 42 years of pro-nuclear positions. I also have an independent mind and whether or not you accept this philosophy, one has the right to question positions taken be it nuclear option, government response, public response, etc. Only a sheep follows the shepherd without thought. I assess the situation, the topic and make up my own opinion. If that goers against your opinion, so be it. Just stop the attacks, against anyone who posts here on Radsafe, who happen to disagree with you. And in the end if you can't refrain and start to act in a professional manner, perhaps it is you who should leave Radsafe. I believe very few will miss your consistent rhetoric where you attack. I am on 6 or 7 lists and there isn't one where the kind of comments you post are allowed. Also go back years and almost every controversy, you were always smack in the middle. Is there a hint there? Do you even recognize it?

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President
Mirion Technologies
Dosimetry Services Division
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-----Original Message-----
From: radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu [mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of franz.schoenhofer at chello.at
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 11:05 AM
To: The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) MailingList
Cc: Brennan, Mike (DOH)
Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] "mis-information from both TEPCO and the Japanesegovernment immediately after the incident"

Mike,

Thank you for writing more or less what I would have liked to, but due to limited knowledge of English did not.
I unconditionally support what you put forward in your mail. Unfortunately there seem to be even people on RADSAFE (e.g. Sandy Perle), who do not recognize reality.

It isn t the duty of Japanese authorities to inform Greenpeace (called in Austria "Greenpiss"), other green militant and political groups, mass media and what we call in Europe "rainbow press", nor pseudo-scientists on line about everything - including information not available yet.......
Those people want to have "information" before it has been measured. Shame on them!

Best regards,

Franz

---- "Brennan schrieb:
> Hi, Jaro.
>
> While I wish there was more information available in the early days, I
> recognize that between a broken infrastructure and a rapidly
> developing situation, that wasn't realistic.  I think there are things
> that could have been done in the ensuing months that would make it
> easier to get a better picture, but I suspect political (both
> governmental and
> corporate) is more the cause than technical issues.
>
> On the other hand, I completely agree that the fixation on the nuclear
> power plants is misplaced, compared to other things that happened.
> The better part of 30,000 people died, and that is seldom, if ever,
> mentioned.  I don't think I've EVER seen a number for the people
> injured, though it surely is in the tens of thousands.  While there is
> a HUGE amount of attention being given to "decontaminating" ground
> contaminated with fallout (usually by means that do more environmental
> harm than the fallout possibly could), I haven't heard almost nothing
> about cleaning up the areas contaminated with all the chemicals one
> might find in a town, if the town was put in a blender and the "Liquefy"
> button hit.  I saw pictures of farmland coated in a sludge that
> clearly killed all plant and animal life in the soil; something the
> fallout will never do.
>
> Even worse it coverage about the coastal waters.  The soluble isotopes
> released into the ocean will be diluted to background within a short
> period after the releases stop.  Some isotopes will remain in the
> sediment at above background for some years.  But there are TENS OF
> THOUSANDS of cars in those waters, and they will be there until
> someone pulls them out.  There are ships, trains, tanks of chemicals,
> and all sorts of other things that will have a far greater and far
> longer effect on that area than the radioactive releases will.  And at
> this distance, at least, they are being ignored.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu
> [mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of Jaro Franta
> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 2:10 PM
> To: radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu
> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] "mis-information from both TEPCO and the
> Japanese government immediately after the incident"
>
> Sandy & group,
>
> I'm a bit puzzled by the comment about "mis-information from both
> TEPCO and the Japanese government immediately after the incident".
>
> I and my CNS colleagues (Canadian Nuclear Society) followed the
> development of the Fukushima tsunami event since the earliest days,
> and my impression is that NO OTHER nuclear incident has ever had
> better public information by the authorities -- especially given the
> fact that tens of thousands of lives were lost in the disaster in
> neighbouring coastal areas !
>
> I suppose its possible that if you were occupied with other things (ex.
> long-distance travel) at the time, information may have been hard to
> come by ?
>
> What bugs me - to this day - is how little (i.e. "none") media
> attention is given to the much wider problem of CHEMICAL contamination
> that resulted from the tsunami disaster:
>
> http://ehp03.niehs.nih.gov/article/fetchArticle.action;jsessionid=B9FF
> 81
> 1AF2
> 1DA147E27FCFE7FD70238B?articleURI=info:doi/10.1289/ehp.119-a290
>
> ....can we expect the health effects of that mess to be blamed on
> radiation from Fukushima ?
>
>  Jaro
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>
> Mon, 10 Oct 2011 14:07:28 -0400, Perle, Sandy <sperle at mirion.com> wrote:
>
> > The problem is that the mis-information from both TEPCO and the
> Japanese
> > government immediately after the incident, continuing on during the
> > incident and even after the incident is what causes the public alarm
> and
> > gives a forum to others. Listening to the YouTube there is a lot of
> > truth as to what is being stated. The public was misled,
> > mis-information, deliberate or otherwise was the norm, so to
> > question
>
> > Chris regarding just his comments on Fukushima, is not as pertinent
> > as
>
> > one could say about other topics discussed here on Radsafe.
> > Fukushima
>
> > was a disaster with serious consequences and I am not confident that
> we
> > have all of the facts as to what happened, what the current state is
> and
> > how stable the reactors are, even today.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Sandy
> >
> > -----------------------------------
> > Sander C. Perle
> > President
> > Mirion Technologies
> > Dosimetry Services Division
> > 2652 McGaw Avenue
> > Irvine, CA 92614
> >
> > +1 (949) 296-2306 (Office)
> > +1 (949) 296-1130 (Fax)
> >
> > Mirion Technologies: http://www.mirion.com/ "Protecting people,
> > property and the environment"
> >
>
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