[ RadSafe ] Recent Events
Howard Long
howard.long at comcast.net
Tue Feb 7 13:15:27 CST 2012
Franz,
USA physicists at Lawrence, Livermore Nat Lab, many of whom İ have been privileged
to serve during the past 50 years, (some of whom guided tours of NV test site for our Doctors for Disaster Preparedness) and the developer of whole body scanners for nuclear energy facilities in Europe - all have been dedicated, NOT to propaganda, but to viable deterrent of nuclear holocaust and accidents as in Europe's Chernobyl.
Villify them NOT!
USAF pilots İ knew as a Flight Surgeon, likewise. They earned the praise of civilians they tried to spare while destroying tyrants that threatened the USA and murdered 100 times as many
civilians (read Hell İs Over - Voices of the Kurds and Saddam's Secrets by Sada).
Saddam would likely by now have given a nuc to alQaeda that killed 10 x as many Americans as on 9/11/01.
War and threats of destruction of the USA have been declared by those targeted.
They use civilian cover.
Are your statements any more accurate than whatever "science" leads Germans to abandon nuclear energy now?
Howard Long
On Feb 7, 2012, at 10:38 AM, <franz.schoenhofer at chello.at> wrote:
> Howard, I do not understand your reasoning.
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> US drones have killed thousands of innocent and uninvolved citizens, including thousands of children - you can verify this on the internet even using USnews media.
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> How interesting that an air attack missed the house of single person, while destroying a neighbouring one???????? What about those victims? This is an unbelievable, but still characteristic message from somebody I call a typical US hardliner.
> Taking those and similar messages into account members of RADSAFE should not be suprised that this list is increasingly not regarded as an intenational list but rather as a US-propaganda list.
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> Do we really want to become Radsafe such a list? Or should we try to revert this trend?
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> I think that the listowne is challended.
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> B est regards from somebody who is deeply concerned about the future of RADSAFE:
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> ---- Howard Long <howard.long at comcast.net> schrieb:
>> Responsibe use of nuclear energy seems the purpose of this site, Franz.
> This anecdote from a book fits that. The author describes her new neighbor in Kabul,
> (the week after the Taliban hed been driven out), who was grateful to American pilots who
> bombed out the Taliban in the next building - while not damaging hers.
> Any A bomb would have destroyed her , also.
>
> America's accurate ordinance enables destruction of tyranny,
> wth minimal damage to grateful sufferers of the tyranny. Israel also?
>
> Howard Long
>
> On Feb 6, 2012, at 12:51 PM, "Perle, Sandy" <sperle at mirion.com> wrote:
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>> I suspect that if I endorsed keeping this tread alive, Franz would have then condemned it.
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>> The fact that 3 individuals or so have responded to this thread does not make it appropriate for Radsafe. It is simply not appropriate. This is not a political forum, and, we should not be castigating any Country here on Radsafe.
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>> The thread has absolutely nothing to do with radiation protection, continues to foster negative comments and will contribute nothing to the political dialogue that continues in the appropriate forums.
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>> Regards,
>>
>> Sandy
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: franz.schoenhofer at chello.at [mailto:franz.schoenhofer at chello.at]
>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 12:47 PM
>> To: The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) MailingList
>> Cc: Perle, Sandy
>> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Recent Events
>>
>> Radsafers,. I by far do not agree with all posts of Joe, though I enjoy many of them. The thread he opened is more than welcome for me, because I still think that such topics are essential for radiation protection scientists, who have a better insight in these topics than somebody who has to make money by selling instruments and services. We should know at the latest since the Manhattan Project that scientists are misused by politiians as puppets for their political games.
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>> Furthermore I think that it is not the task of a RADSAFE member to urge all other several thousands to stop a thread, especially since its continuation shows interest in it. .
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Franz
>>
>> ---- "Perle schrieb:
>>> We should probably FTP this thread. It's not appropriate.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Sandy Perle
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Feb 6, 2012, at 10:10 AM, "JPreisig at aol.com" <JPreisig at aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear Ahmad,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the article reference. I assure you that I have no
>>>> interest in having such a nuclear exchange occur.
>>>>
>>>> As for this all being a political issue, I am a bit bothered by
>>>> this statement. Here in New Jersey are US government facilities
>>>> like Fort Dix, Lakehurst, Picatinny Arsenal, Lockheed Martin,
>>>> Singer/Kearfott, Fort Monmouth, etc. If some person in Iran
>>>> launches a nuclear tipped rocket
>>>> 6000 km, and is a bit off target, then my home in Mercerville, New
>>>> Jersey would be gone.
>>>> And perhaps I would be vaporized or worse. I really don't view
>>>> this as a political issue.
>>>>
>>>> Again, thank you for your continued postings to radsafe.
>>>>
>>>> Regards, Joseph R. (Joe) Preisig, PhD
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In a message dated 2/5/2012 10:50:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>>>> ahmadalanimail at yahoo.com writes:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Joe,
>>>>
>>>> You obviously insist on imposing a political issue in the wrong
>>>> forum. To satisfy your interest, I suggest you check this article.
>>>> And the comments you find there are tons more than radsafe can provide you.
>>>>
>>>> "An Iranian attack on Israel would amount to Iran signing its own
>>>> death warrant. It is a horror even to imagine, but the reality is
>>>> that a nuclear attack anywhere in Israel, would murder tens of
>>>> thousands of innocents, Jews and Arabs, with radiation fallout
>>>> spreading death and deformity over a wide radius that would infect hundreds of thousands more in the neighborhood"
>>>>
>>>> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/james-zogby/israel-iran-nuclear-_b_125
>>>> 4542.htm
>>>> l
>>>>
>>>> Ahmad
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 1:05 AM AST (Arabian) JPreisig at aol.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear Radsafe:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: _jpreisig at aol.com_ (mailto:jpreisig at aol.com) .
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> A few days ago google news reported some source in Iran stating
>>>>> that Iran has rocket launch capability, with range of 6000 km.
>>>>> Statement was made that such a
>>>> missile
>>>>> could reach the USA.
>>>>> Oh my.
>>>>>
>>>>> In the last few days National News (USA) reports that Israel
>>>>> may go to war with Iran in the
>>>>> next few months. If it happens, I hope the war is only conventional
>>>>> weapons. Hope World diplomats
>>>>> are on top of this.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sure, this discussion belongs somewhere else than here on Radsafe.
>>>>
>>>>> Sorry, I'm posting this
>>>>> anyway.
>>>>>
>>>>> If Iran is just getting into the nuclear arms business, then
>>>>> perhaps they have 1-10 Nuclear devices and one launch missile for
>>>>> each Nuclear device. This would be sufficient to take out
>>>>> 1 to 10 Israeli cities??? Ouch...
>>>>>
>>>>> Israel has supposedly had nuclear weapons capability for many years
>>>>> now. I suspect they also
>>>>> have significant launch capability. My crude estimate is that Israel
>>>>> would be capable of
>>>>> launching 10 to 20 nuclear missiles. Iran's major cities would also be
>>>>> gone, with significant
>>>>> population loss in Iran. I'm sure the US government has better
>>>> estimates
>>>>> of nuclear weapon
>>>>> numbers and launch capability for each of these countries.
>>>>>
>>>>> As a first thought, I would make sure that I knew where all
>>>>> ships in
>>>>
>>>>> the Iranian navy is, if
>>>>> such a navy exists. Non-military ships also.
>>>>>
>>>>> Clearly the USA is able to counter severely any first strike by
>>>>> the Iranian nation. Iran would be gone.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hope all nations involved are having some restraint right now.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards, Joseph R. (Joe) Preisig, PhD
>>>>>
>>>>>
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