[ RadSafe ] Polonium-210 poisoning again?

Thu Jul 5 15:38:15 CDT 2012

Hi John:

I knew it was part of the chain and that it was manufactured in Russia (I 
was there.)  I meant where did they get it during the 'Cold War'.

Ed Baratta
edmond0033 at comcast.net

-----Original Message----- 
From: John R Johnson
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 2:06 PM
To: The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) Mailing List
Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Polonium-210 poisoning again?

Ed

Po-210 is a member of the U-Nat decay chain.

John R Johnson

On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 10:42 AM, <edmond0033 at comcast.net> wrote:

> For those who may remember, Polonium-210 used to be used as a 'static
> eliminator' for use in Analytical Balances.  Also used in some
> manufacturing process to eliminate static.  I don't know where they
> obtained their Polonium-210.
>
> Ed Baratta
> edmond0033 at comcast.net
>
> -----Original Message----- From: franz.schoenhofer at chello.at
> Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2012 5:08 PM
> To: The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) MailingList
> Cc: JPreisig at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Polonium-210 poisoning again?
>
> Joe and other RADSAFErs posting on the Po-210-issue:
>
> I have a few years ago been in London, just at the time when first
> messages about "Litwinenko" appeared in the British papers. There was a 
> lot
> of nonsensical speculations and it took a long time (days) until Po-210
> came out as the most likely culprit. I was shocked, because Po-210 in such
> extraordinary concentrations in urin would have been easily detectible
> within  a few tens of minutes by Liquid Scintillation Spectrometry.
> Together with my collegue - probably I should rather say, my collegue
> Gabriele Wallner with me! - we showed an extremely fast way to decide on
> Po-210 poisoning via urine excretion.
>
> The paper of Gabriele and me was presented at the last LSC cto onference
> in Paris (LSC 2010). You can easily find it on Google, if you are
> interested.
>
> Yes, most of Po-210 comes from Russia, which a simple Google Research
> would have revealed. There you would also find, what Po-210 is used for
> except killing people.........
>
> Best regards to the innocent USA, which obviously buys Po-210 from Russia.
>
> Franz
>
>
>
>
> ---- JPreisig at aol.com schrieb:
>
>> Hmmmm,
>>
>>        Are these Po-210 sources coming from  the former USSR countries?
>> Are these "folks"
>> trying to use  Po-210Be as a neutron initiator for their fission
>> devices.???  Can't they find
>> Americium????   Hmmmm.
>>
>>        Regards,   Joe Preisig
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 7/4/2012 2:16:01 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>> mso at forsmark.vattenfall.se writes:
>>
>> I wonder  if that is something to build a conspiracy on. In the video
>> there
>> is an  example saying that they are in the mBq region in their analyses,
>> which means  that there would have been GBq amounts 8 years ago at the
>> time of
>> Arafats  death (which would have been bad, mmmkay?). That's assuming that
>> the Po-210 is  not produced from natural decay. It seems that they rule
>> this
>> out by saying  that the Po-210 is "unsupported". What would that mean
>> exactly, and how would  that be shown? After 20 or so half-lives, it
>> seems to me
>> that it would be  difficult to show anything at all about the chemistry.
>>
>> Also, what would  the natural amount of Po-210 be, compared to their
>> results... It's impossible  to do a proper comparison of course, since
>> it's not
>> said how they have  prepared their samples. Anyway, a quick google search
>> gives you 
>> [http://irpa11.irpa.net/pdfs/**6a52.pdf<http://irpa11.irpa.net/pdfs/6a52.pdf>]
>> with some naturally occuring
>> Po-210  levels. Those do not make the French poisoning theory seem very
>> plausible to  me. Difficult to say without a proper report, though.
>>
>> Mattias  Olsson
>> Sweden
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>> It is reported by Al Jazeera that  elevated levels of Po-210 were found 
>> by
>> the Institut de Radiophysique in  Lausanne, Switzerland, in some of
>> Arafat's
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>>
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