[ RadSafe ] Polonium-210 poisoning again?

Thu Jul 5 16:44:26 CDT 2012

Ed

They dug it out of the ground and then separated it from the other
radionuclides and the "dirt!

John

On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 1:38 PM, <edmond0033 at comcast.net> wrote:

> Hi John:
>
> I knew it was part of the chain and that it was manufactured in Russia (I
> was there.)  I meant where did they get it during the 'Cold War'.
>
> Ed Baratta
> edmond0033 at comcast.net
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: John R Johnson
> Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 2:06 PM
> To: The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Polonium-210 poisoning again?
>
> Ed
>
> Po-210 is a member of the U-Nat decay chain.
>
> John R Johnson
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 10:42 AM, <edmond0033 at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>  For those who may remember, Polonium-210 used to be used as a 'static
>> eliminator' for use in Analytical Balances.  Also used in some
>> manufacturing process to eliminate static.  I don't know where they
>> obtained their Polonium-210.
>>
>> Ed Baratta
>> edmond0033 at comcast.net
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: franz.schoenhofer at chello.at
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2012 5:08 PM
>> To: The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) MailingList
>> Cc: JPreisig at aol.com
>> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Polonium-210 poisoning again?
>>
>> Joe and other RADSAFErs posting on the Po-210-issue:
>>
>> I have a few years ago been in London, just at the time when first
>> messages about "Litwinenko" appeared in the British papers. There was a
>> lot
>> of nonsensical speculations and it took a long time (days) until Po-210
>> came out as the most likely culprit. I was shocked, because Po-210 in such
>> extraordinary concentrations in urin would have been easily detectible
>> within  a few tens of minutes by Liquid Scintillation Spectrometry.
>> Together with my collegue - probably I should rather say, my collegue
>> Gabriele Wallner with me! - we showed an extremely fast way to decide on
>> Po-210 poisoning via urine excretion.
>>
>> The paper of Gabriele and me was presented at the last LSC cto onference
>> in Paris (LSC 2010). You can easily find it on Google, if you are
>> interested.
>>
>> Yes, most of Po-210 comes from Russia, which a simple Google Research
>> would have revealed. There you would also find, what Po-210 is used for
>> except killing people.........
>>
>> Best regards to the innocent USA, which obviously buys Po-210 from Russia.
>>
>> Franz
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ---- JPreisig at aol.com schrieb:
>>
>>  Hmmmm,
>>>
>>>        Are these Po-210 sources coming from  the former USSR countries?
>>> Are these "folks"
>>> trying to use  Po-210Be as a neutron initiator for their fission
>>> devices.???  Can't they find
>>> Americium????   Hmmmm.
>>>
>>>        Regards,   Joe Preisig
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In a message dated 7/4/2012 2:16:01 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>>> mso at forsmark.vattenfall.se writes:
>>>
>>> I wonder  if that is something to build a conspiracy on. In the video
>>> there
>>> is an  example saying that they are in the mBq region in their analyses,
>>> which means  that there would have been GBq amounts 8 years ago at the
>>> time of
>>> Arafats  death (which would have been bad, mmmkay?). That's assuming that
>>> the Po-210 is  not produced from natural decay. It seems that they rule
>>> this
>>> out by saying  that the Po-210 is "unsupported". What would that mean
>>> exactly, and how would  that be shown? After 20 or so half-lives, it
>>> seems to me
>>> that it would be  difficult to show anything at all about the chemistry.
>>>
>>> Also, what would  the natural amount of Po-210 be, compared to their
>>> results... It's impossible  to do a proper comparison of course, since
>>> it's not
>>> said how they have  prepared their samples. Anyway, a quick google search
>>> gives you [http://irpa11.irpa.net/pdfs/****6a52.pdf<http://irpa11.irpa.net/pdfs/**6a52.pdf>
>>> <http://irpa11.irpa.**net/pdfs/6a52.pdf<http://irpa11.irpa.net/pdfs/6a52.pdf>
>>> >]
>>> with some naturally occuring
>>> Po-210  levels. Those do not make the French poisoning theory seem very
>>> plausible to  me. Difficult to say without a proper report, though.
>>>
>>> Mattias  Olsson
>>> Sweden
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