[ RadSafe ] Lichen: was: RE: More Nuclear-News Hype High radiation level at Fukushima school, even after 'decontamination'

Mon Jul 16 10:33:00 CDT 2012

The Russian atomic bomb tests in the 1960´s (Novaja Semlja) spread
radioactivity (Cs-137) all over Sweden and also to Austria.

Lars Persson
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Ämne: Re: [ RadSafe ] Lichen: was: RE: More Nuclear-News Hype High radiation
level at Fukushima school, even after 'decontamination'

Stewart:

In the Winter of 1985-1986, I shot a "Frischling" wild boar in Lower
Austria. Later, when Chernobyl accident happened in April 1986, we
(the hunting group) submitted a sample of the frozen boar meat & liver
for analysis.  The result was "positive" and we were told not to eat
the meat. Since it had been in the deep freeze since before the
accident, most of us lost faith in the laboratory analysis.

Let's just say that a healthy amount of skepticism goes along with good
science.

And clean samples to test the lab.

Dan ii

On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 11:45 AM, Stewart Farber <SAFarber at optonline.net>
wrote:
> During the 1970s I’m familiar with many situations where nuclear plant
> workers who were hunters showed unexpected measurable elevated Cs-137
which
> confused interpreting WBC and the source of contamination.  The source was
> often the hunter eating deer. The deer, in the absence of normal browse
> [which can have elevated Cs based on soil to plant],  eat anything they
can
> find in the winter like lichen or stripping tree park.
>
>
>
> As mentioned earlier in this thread, lichen can concentrate fallout
> nuclides, but also a deer can injest Cs-137 from eating not just leaves
but
> tree bark. which concentrates minerals.  I have observed deer stripping
bark
> off trees during the winter in the yard of a home I visted many times over
> 20 years, when there are no tree leaves or other plant browse.
>
>
>
> Trees try to hold onto their K [ + Cs unwittingly] when they drop their
> leaves in fall, and otherwise lose their K. Minerals like K [and Cs with
it]
> are stored in the roots and saved in the bark and resorbed to a certain
> degree when the tree blooms in spring.
>
>
>
> Bottom line:
>
> [ Fallout concentrates in lichen and bark + in plant based on soil
> deposition initially ] è deer concentrate Cs when eating certain foods =>
to
> man when deer meat is consumed, leading to elevated Cs-137.
>
>
>
> So hunting and eating deer [and other animals like moose, or  squirrels –
no
> joke some people do hunt and eat the little rodents] can lead to elevated
> levels of Cs-137 in man,  and have made WBC  interpretation more
interesting
> in certain cases.
>
>
>
>
>
> Stewart Farber, MSPH
>
> Farber Medical Solutions, LLC
>
> Bridgeport, CT 06604
>
> SAFarber at optonline.net
>
> 203-441-8433
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: John R Johnson [mailto:idiasjrj at gmail.com]
> Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 6:35 PM
> To: safarber at optonline.net; The International Radiation Protection (Health
> Physics) Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Lichen: was: RE: More Nuclear-News Hype High
> radiation level at Fukushima school, even after 'decontamination'
>
>
>
> Stewart
>
>
>
> Information that you probably know. When I worked at CRNL (now CRL) we
could
> always tell when one of the staff had been eating meat from animals in the
> "far" north if tyhey had detectable Cs-137 in their whole body counts
(WBC)
> and we would ask if they had when we measured Cs-137 in their WBC.
>
>
>
> John
>
> On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 12:25 PM, Stewart Farber <SAFarber at optonline.net>
> wrote:
>
> A bit of relevant history about Lichen and atmospheric fallout of Cs-137.
>
> Lichen makes a very interesting sampling media which shows the unique
> ability to greatly concentrate Cs-137 in fallout. It is basically a
filter,
> concentrating fallout.  This issue was studied in great detail during the
> peak levels of atmospheric fallout observed from open air nuclear weapons
> testing around 1965. See the reference below:
>
> Hanson, Health Physics Society Journal, April 1967 - Volume 13 - Issue 4,
> Cesium-137 in Alaskan Lichens, Caribou and Eskimos
>
> Levels of Cs-137 were measured up to 100 pCi/gram dried lichen in Alaska
in
> 1965. This equates to 100,000 pCi/kg dried lichen. This was in some
samples
> of lichen sampled from locations that had Cs-137 deposition of about
50,000
> pCi/square meter.
>
> The number claimed in the cited report from Japan near Fukushima was a bit
> less than 1,000,000 Bq/kg, or 37,000,000 pCi/kg dried lichen. Anti-nuclear
> activists/scaremongers always want to make any measured activity look
bigger
> to their target audience [other anti-nukes, media, legislators,  and many
> members of the public]  by stating any measured activity [which may be
> accurate in this case] in terms of activity/kg of media which multiplies
any
> measured value by 1,000 vs. reporting activity/gram which is appropriate
to
> a media like lichen.
>
> 37,000,000 pCi/kg lichen as claimed in Japan would be about 37 times
higher
> than the 100,000 pCi/kg of lichen at peak fallout levels measured in
Alaska
> in 1965 [and across the the northernmost areas like Sweden, Norway, and
> Finland where there is a lot of lichen]. The elevated levels of Cs-137 in
> lichen in the 1960s in many areas of the far North presented an
interesting
> case because caribou there eat large amounts of lichen. In places like
> Lapland [the region comprised of near Arctic regions of Norway, Sweden,
and
> Finland occupied by the indigenous Laplanders or Sami people] caribou was
a
> major food source for these indiginous Laplanders,  as they are called who
> showed very elevated body burdens of Cs-137 during the 1960s which
declined
> over time.
>
> Could the airborne deposition of Cs-137 in isolated areas of Japan be 37
> times higher than the generalized areal deposition in Alaska in 1965 from
> bomb fallout? Seems reasonable. However, I don't have the data at hand,
and
> have wasted enough time today.   Does 37E6 pCi Cs-137/kg dried lichen mean
> anything other than lichen is an interesting sampling media? Doesn't
appear
> to be a concern in Japan, even if true ---UNLESS large numbers of caribou
> are wandering around Japan near Fukushima eating large amounts of lichen
as
> a major source of their food, and people in Japan are eating caribou as a
> large fraction of their diet! Seems unlikely. Have any caribou been
reported
> in Japan of late?
>
>
> Stewart Farber, MSPH
> Farber Medical Solutions, LLC
> Bridgeport, CT 06604
> SAFarber at optonline.net
> 203-441-8433
> =========================
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu
> [mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of Roger Helbig
> Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 6:47 AM
> To: RADSAFE
> Subject: [ RadSafe ] More Nuclear-News Hype High radiation level at
> Fukushima school, even after 'decontamination'
>
> This level of Cesium contamination seems unusally high like someone
misread
> or just misreported a meter reading.  They are also claiming high number
of
> birth defects at Fukushima hospital.  They should perhaps check with the
> Radiation Effects Research Foundation in Hirsoshima/Nagasaki before taking
a
> page from the Iraqi propagandists in Fallujah.
>
> Roger Helbig
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> New post on nuclear-news
>
> High radiation level at Fukushima school, even after 'decontamination'
>
> by Christina MacPherson
>
> 1,000,000 Bq/kg of cesium detected at Fukushima school. after being
> 'decontaminated' - "It's obvious they will just leave it" - Local
> Official y 13th, 2012   By ENENews  July 11, 2012 post by Koichi
> Oyama, Minamisoma city council member, translated by Dissensus Japan:
>
> 1.000.000 Bq detected in a school after a decontamination conducted!
>
> A University's research team collected lichen at the entrance of the
> gymnastic hall of a school that restarted after a decontamination
operation,
> and the sample measured the Cesium radiation level, 989.000 Bq/Kg.
>
> It's obvious they will just leave it. I told them my ideas at least, but
I'm
> not sure if this inspired them to do anything. No one makes decision to
get
> rid of dangers.
> I want to believe that at least "school principal" won't leave the danger
at
> the place where students walk by. I would go there tomorrow
> to make sure.   Read the report here
>
> Christina MacPherson | July 14, 2012 at 6:03 am | Categories:
> environment, Japan, secrets,lies and civil liberties | URL:
> http://wp.me/phgse-6Gb
>
>
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>
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> -even-after-decontamination/>
> even-after-decontamination/
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