[ RadSafe ] since we're talking about climate change

[Jaro Franta]

FYI:

http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journal/vaop/ncurrent/fig_tab/nclimate1589_F2
.html 
http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journal/vaop/ncurrent/images/nclimate1589-f2.
jpg 

http://www.uni-mainz.de/eng/15491.php 
Climate in northern Europe reconstructed for the past 2,000 years: Cooling
trend calculated precisely for the first time 
Calculations prepared by Mainz scientists will also influence the way
current climate change is perceived / Publication of results in Nature
Climate Change
 09.07.2012

 Jaro
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[mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of Dimiter Popoff
Sent: July-24-12 4:40 PM
To: radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu
Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] since we're talking about climate change

I'll see what I can do once you bother to provide the data you are basing
your claims on, like in

>> Don't tell us "everybody says so", give us the data.
>> 
>> Like the temperature logs from the stations you use to substantiate 
>> your "global warming" claim, please.
>> 
>> Just as I do not expect a customer to buy our spectrometers just on 
>> my claim on better resolution and throughput - so I have to at least 
>> show some real spectra (though it usually takes a "hands on" test) - 
>> the people you want to sell the "global warming"
>> claim to would expect to see your data, not your thoughts on what you 
>> have read (like the rest of us) in the media.

Don't have any data? I thought so.

Dimiter

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>From: Karen Street <Karen_Street at sbcglobal.net>
>Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 13:31:29 -0700
>To: "The International Radiation Protection \(Health Physics\) Mailing 
>List" <radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu>
>Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] since we're talking about climate change
>
>Dimiter,
>
>Thank you for your answer. Can you link to a science source (eg, NASA/NOAA)
with graphs to communicate that Earth is cooling?
>
>What is the mechanism that explains the cooling?
>
>I will only respond to one of your comments, on data. NCDC provides access
to climate data. So do a lot of other sites.
>
>http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/ncdc.html
>
>http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/data-sources/
>
>etc
>
>> 
>>> I am curious as to what you do believe. 
>> 
>> The beliefs in this context are irrelevant.
>> 
>> What matters are data to support such a claim.
>> 
>> So far all people are fed about the "global warming" (which 
>> incidentally is cooling since over a decade IIRC) is religious 
>> babble.
>> 
>>> Is Earth warming, and at what rate (in °C/decade)?
>> 
>> No. I have no data on the rate of cooling but I am well aware of the 
>> news from all over the planet last few winters reporting disastrous 
>> cold weather, last winter in the US being the only exception I can 
>> think of in 5 years or so.
>> 
>>> ... Don't use the word natural, but give particular ...
>> 
>> Don't tell us "everybody says so", give us the data.
>> 
>> Like the temperature logs from the stations you use to substantiate 
>> your "global warming" claim, please.
>> 
>> Just as I do not expect a customer to buy our spectrometers just on 
>> my claim on better resolution and throughput - so I have to at least 
>> show some real spectra (though it usually takes a "hands on" test) - 
>> the people you want to sell the "global warming"
>> claim to would expect to see your data, not your thoughts on what you 
>> have read (like the rest of us) in the media.
>> 
>> Dimiter
>> 
>> 
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>> http://www.tgi-sci.com
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>> 
>>> From: Karen Street <Karen_Street at sbcglobal.net>
>>> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 12:12:15 -0700
>>> To: "The International Radiation Protection \(Health Physics\) 
>>> Mailing List" <radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu>
>>> Subject: [ RadSafe ] since we're talking about climate change
>>> 
>>> In the past and just now, people on this list who don't accept 
>>> climate change have posted that they don't accept climate change.
>>> 
>>> I am curious as to what you do believe. 
>>> 
>>> Please avoid explaining that the overwhelming number of scientists 
>>> are wrong or read this or that this great scientist thinks other 
>>> scientists are wrong.
>>> 
>>>  Is Earth warming, and at what rate (in °C/decade)?
>>> 
>>>  What is the cause? Don't use the word natural, but give 
>>> particular mechanisms, such as Earth is moving closer to the sun.  
>>> When I ask climate skeptics/deniers these questions, it feels like 
>>> pulling teeth to get answers other than, "you're wrong, you child of 
>>> Satan." Or the ones about natural or scientists are just wrong or 
>>> here is my scientist (inject name of novelist or journalist) who
disagrees.
>>> 
>>> I really am curious.
>>>