[ RadSafe ] Coming soon to a basement near you???????
Brennan, Mike (DOH)
Mike.Brennan at DOH.WA.GOV
Thu Jun 14 15:58:41 CDT 2012
Speaking as someone with some personal experience with fusion weapons (I
was a officer in the Weapons Department on a SSBN. About half the
patrols I was the Missile Officer), the answer remains "no". And if you
want to breed tritium, and have a neutron source, I'd look at using
lithium rather than deuterium as you source material. And do some
calculations of how long it will take you to breed a significant amount
of T with whatever neutron flux you have.
And frankly, if you are starting with a "suitcase nuke", and you can't
accomplish the desired amount of destruction/disruption, you need to
adjust you expectations.
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JPreisig at aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 2:27 PM
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Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Coming soon to a basement near you???????
THERMONUCLEAR WANNABE LIST OF THINGS TO DO:
(partial list):
1... Buy many lab. cylinders of deuterium
2. Buy off-the-shelf (New/USA Model???) Mini-Nuclear Reactor
or Build Reactor Yourself. Put it next to your working Fusor
Research Equipment
(Beware of Electric Shocks!!!)
3. Breed Tritium (see Kaplan's Nuclear Physics book)
4. Buy Suitcase Nuclear Fission Device from Former USSR (if
available)???
5. Look through back issues of Popular Mechanics/Popular Science for
Thermonuclear Device.
Design Description. Or ask Iranian or North Korean Nuclear
Physicist for Advice.
6. STRAP Fission Weapon to Deuterium/Tritium as per instructions in
Popular Science/Popular
Mechanics. If you get hung up, refer to the fission/fusion
Senior
Thesis by that kid at
Princeton U.
7. Fly/Sail/Swim to Marshall Islands... Ask for Directions in
Hawaii????
8. Tell Marshall Islanders to get off the Island for a while.
9. Test the Thermonuclear Bad Boy!!!!!
10. That wasn't so hard, was it????
Take Care.... JRP
In a message dated 6/11/2012 1:46:32 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
Mike.Brennan at DOH.WA.GOV writes:
Hi, John.
I am not sure what you are trying to say. If you are saying that it is
impossible to get pure D, then I would agree, though it is fairly easy
to concentrate D to higher than normal natural ratio. The higher the
concentration, the more difficult and expensive it is, but it can be
done.
Be that as it may, there is a lot more involved in making a fusion bomb
than strapping a tank of deuterium (or even a tank of mixed deuterium
and tritium) onto a fission bomb.
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of John R
Johnson
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 10:32 AM
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Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Coming soon to a basement near you???????
Mike
I'm sure you know that we can't only have deuterium as our only source
of
hydrogen because H and D have different molecular rates.
John
On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Brennan, Mike (DOH) <
Mike.Brennan at doh.wa.gov> wrote:
> The short answer is, "no". One cannot use off the shelf canisters of
> deuterium and a random fission bomb and make a fusion bomb. I
actually
> know the long answer, but it would take more time than I have at the
> moment, and the answer is still, "no".
>
> A tank of deuterium is no more dangerous than a similar size tank of
> regular hydrogen.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu
> [mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of
> JPreisig at aol.com
> Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 4:25 PM
> To: radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu
> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Coming soon to a basement near you???????
>
> Dear Radsafe,
>
> The Fusor website is pretty interesting. Kids and adults doing
> fusion science with
> high voltage power supplies, bottles of deuterium, etc. Normally I
> would
> just chuckle about all this,
> but I have some concerns.
>
> The Voltages being used are pretty high, and the power supplies
> are
> not necessarily
> good, off-the-shelf, well-designed power supplies.
>
> People are buying lab. bottles of deuterium from Scientific
supply
>
> houses etc. For a few hundred $$$.
> This is a low-level proliferation hazard. Transactions should be
> tracked.
> Someone buying more than a
> few lab. bottles of deuterium needs to be tracked.
>
> One Suitcase nuke from the former USSR, or wherever, combined
with
> a
> fair amount of
> deuterium could produce a home-grown Hydrogen (Fusion) weapon. D, D
> reaction etc.
> It could happen. It shouldn't be allowed to happen. No wonder the
> USA/Allies were so
> concerned about that Heavy Water plant in Norway (or wherever) during
> World
> War II.
> The Hydrogen weapon might have already been in someones mind at that
> time.
>
> I see no evidence of neutron shielding for these Fusor amateur
> fusion
> efforts.
> Shielding should happen as such experiments are scaled up.
>
> I'd hate to see what would happen to a safety official (state
> government level???) on the western
> USA coast if some kid were to electrocute himself, and the state
> official
> knew the
> situation.
>
> Have a safe day... Regards, Joseph R. (Joe) Preisig, PhD
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 6/8/2012 3:06:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> JPreisig at aol.com writes:
>
> Kristian and Radsafe,
>
> What a seriously cool thread here on radsafe. A small 200 keV
> particle accelerator with
> possibility of having a deuterium and/or tritium source would allow
one
> to
>
> do fundamental fusion
> research in a rather small academic and/or corporate environment.
Get
> 2
> LiI detectors with
> a set of polyethylene Bonner spheres and you can readily measure
the
> neutron spectra coming from
> your fusion experiment. Fusion, Cold Fusion, Warm Fusion,
> whatever....
>
> Doggone, scooped on my research grant application by a group of
> basement inventors. Ouch.
>
> Google search also migma AND maglich (self-colliding beam
> fusion).
>
> Someone's going to the Fusion promised-land well ahead of PPPL
> (Princeton Plasma Physics
> Lab) and/or ITER (International Fusion Effort). See Radsafe
> archives
> for
> very much more information.
>
> Have a great weekend!!!! Regards, Joseph R. (Joe) Preisig,
PhD
>
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 6/8/2012 12:24:28 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> doctorbill34 at gmail.com writes:
>
> When I worked at Argonne, a group of researchers built its own
> homemade
> particle accelerator; didn't bother to tell hp, of course.
>
> It's a tribute to the intelligence of American scientists that most
of
>
> them
> survive working under the conditions they create for themselves!
>
> Bill Lipton
> It's not about dose, it's about trust.
> On Jun 8, 2012 10:16 AM, "Kristian Ukkonen" <ktu at iki.fi> wrote:
>
> > On 6/7/2012 18:17, Ted de Castro wrote:
> >
> >> I thought people here might be interested in seeing this link
> telling
> >> whomever how to make their own x-ray machine.
> >>
> >> Now "Instructables" is a great web site with articles telling
you
> how
> to
> >> make all sorts of interesting and useful things - and some,
> well.......
> >>
> >> A while ago they had a "make a spot welder from a microwave oven
> >> transformer" that was a major electrical death trap.
> >>
> >> Today I got my usual email showing new entries and saw this one:
> >>
> >>
http://www.instructables.com/**id/How-to-X-Ray/<http://www.instru
> ctables.com/id/How-to-X-Ray/>
> >>
> >
> > Nothing new. Already in 50s amateurs were building crude x-ray
> machines
> > from 01, 6BK4 triode etc. commercial tubes.. One of instructions
was
> > in "amateur scientist" column of Scientific American in 7/1956 by
> > C.L.Stong. Also there was Van de Graff generator based
> proton/deuteron
> > linear accelerator in 8/1971 number.. For a whole list, see
> >
>
http://amasci.com/amateur/**sciamdx.html<http://amasci.com/amateur/sciam
> dx.h
> tml>
> >
> > Nowadays people are already building inertial electrostatic
> confinement
> > deuterium fusion reactors in their basements with proven neutron
> > production by activation experiments.. X-ray tubes are so old
news.
> :)
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Fusor
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusor>
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