[ RadSafe ] Fwd: Neutron Generator regulations

Fri Aug 30 12:13:15 CDT 2013

Neutron Detection equipment is now standard for any agency or
municipality that is equipped under the Domestic Nuclear Detection
Office's Preventive Radiation/Nuclear Detection Programs.
Most other security people would not have that equipment.

Allen W. Conklin 
Health Physicist and
Outreach and Training Program Manager 
Radiological Emergency Preparedness Section 
Office of Radiation Protection 
Department of Health 
office: 360-236-3261 
cell: 360-481-4804 

-----Original Message-----
From: radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu
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JPreisig at aol.com
Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 9:36 AM
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Subject: [ RadSafe ] Fwd: Neutron Generator regulations

Mike,

      This all makes me wonder if  Radiation/security people even have
neutron detectors.  Sure, XRays would  work in such a scenario also.

      Joe Preisig

____________________________________
 From: Mike.Brennan at DOH.WA.GOV
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Sent: 8/30/2013 12:12:55 P.M. Eastern Daylight  Time
Subj: Re: [ RadSafe ] Neutron Generator regulations

While such a thing would almost certainly get some excited  news
coverage when discovered, I suspect it would be difficult to do much
harm with it.  You could accomplish as much by doing the same thing
with an x-ray tube, which would be cheaper and easier.  

As for  directing the neutron flux, I haven't been paying attention to
that field,  but the last time I looked it was more a matter of
shielding in all but one  direction, with the neutrons going the wrong
way  being absorbed.

-----Original Message-----
From:  radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu
[mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu]  On Behalf Of
JPreisig at aol.com
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 10:13  AM
To: radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu
Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Neutron  Generator regulations

Radsafe:

Something to  consider about neutron  generators.  If a person is
well-trained  in electronics, and perhaps they  could get their hands on
a neutron  generator, then they might possibly be able  to build a
suitcase  version of a neutron generator weapon.  Take the  suitcase to
the  location of 
interest, plug it in and turn it on from afar.    Kind of like a poor
man's neutron
bomb.  Quite lethal if  done  correctly.  It wouldn't explode, but
rather would just  provide a neutron  flux density (directed???) and
would kill people  and/or other animals.
I guess security people should be taught to keep an  eye out for
suitcases and/or other packages which are plugged in to an  electrical
socket.  When one would see such a suitcase or whatever,  then one
should move away from the  suitcase.  Safety teams could  approach such
a device with a remball, Snoopy, Anderson-Braun detector etc.  to see if
a neutron signal is  present.  
The next step to do  would probably be to turn-off local electric
power, and again  approach the suitcase with some caution.  I don't know
if  any of  this scenario is likely.  From what I can remember,
Schlumberger keeps  track of it neutron generators.

Regards,   Joe Preisig

In a message dated  8/27/2013 4:23:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
brees at lanl.gov  writes:

What are  the regulations regarding an electronic neutron  generator?  
Something  like a D-D fusion type.  It's  possible to make one in a
reasonably well  equipped lab, so if someone  did, what licensing and
use
regulations would  apply?
Regulations  on an x-ray machine are fairly clear (and they're   MUCH
more  
common! - both the machines, and regs!).
I realize that "standard   radiation dose limits" would apply, but most
of the regulations I see  are  associated with the Tritium content of a
D-T generator, is there  anything  special someone would have to do if
they made a D-D  neutron  generator?

And yes, I realize that if it was done in a  DOE facility  their rules
would apply.

Thanks in  advance!
Brian   Rees
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