[ RadSafe ] Fwd: Neutron Generator regulations

Fri Aug 30 12:16:58 CDT 2013

But you will get plenty of gamma rays if neutrons are being generated.......

Doug
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From: radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu [mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of Conklin, Al (DOH)
Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 12:13 PM
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Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Fwd: Neutron Generator regulations

Neutron Detection equipment is now standard for any agency or municipality that is equipped under the Domestic Nuclear Detection Office's Preventive Radiation/Nuclear Detection Programs.
Most other security people would not have that equipment.

Allen W. Conklin
Health Physicist and
Outreach and Training Program Manager
Radiological Emergency Preparedness Section Office of Radiation Protection Department of Health
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cell: 360-481-4804 

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of JPreisig at aol.com
Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 9:36 AM
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Subject: [ RadSafe ] Fwd: Neutron Generator regulations

Mike,

      This all makes me wonder if  Radiation/security people even have neutron detectors.  Sure, XRays would  work in such a scenario also.

      Joe Preisig

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 From: Mike.Brennan at DOH.WA.GOV
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While such a thing would almost certainly get some excited  news coverage when discovered, I suspect it would be difficult to do much harm with it.  You could accomplish as much by doing the same thing with an x-ray tube, which would be cheaper and easier.  

As for  directing the neutron flux, I haven't been paying attention to that field,  but the last time I looked it was more a matter of shielding in all but one  direction, with the neutrons going the wrong way  being absorbed.

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[mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu]  On Behalf Of JPreisig at aol.com
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 10:13  AM
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Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Neutron  Generator regulations

Radsafe:

Something to  consider about neutron  generators.  If a person is well-trained  in electronics, and perhaps they  could get their hands on a neutron  generator, then they might possibly be able  to build a suitcase  version of a neutron generator weapon.  Take the  suitcase to the  location of 
interest, plug it in and turn it on from afar.    Kind of like a poor
man's neutron
bomb.  Quite lethal if  done  correctly.  It wouldn't explode, but rather would just  provide a neutron  flux density (directed???) and would kill people  and/or other animals.
I guess security people should be taught to keep an  eye out for suitcases and/or other packages which are plugged in to an  electrical socket.  When one would see such a suitcase or whatever,  then one should move away from the  suitcase.  Safety teams could  approach such a device with a remball, Snoopy, Anderson-Braun detector etc.  to see if a neutron signal is  present.  
The next step to do  would probably be to turn-off local electric power, and again  approach the suitcase with some caution.  I don't know if  any of  this scenario is likely.  From what I can remember, Schlumberger keeps  track of it neutron generators.

Regards,   Joe Preisig

In a message dated  8/27/2013 4:23:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, brees at lanl.gov  writes:

What are  the regulations regarding an electronic neutron  generator?  
Something  like a D-D fusion type.  It's  possible to make one in a reasonably well  equipped lab, so if someone  did, what licensing and use regulations would  apply?
Regulations  on an x-ray machine are fairly clear (and they're   MUCH
more
common! - both the machines, and regs!).
I realize that "standard   radiation dose limits" would apply, but most
of the regulations I see  are  associated with the Tritium content of a D-T generator, is there  anything  special someone would have to do if they made a D-D  neutron  generator?

And yes, I realize that if it was done in a  DOE facility  their rules would apply.

Thanks in  advance!
Brian   Rees
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