[ RadSafe ] Teller and Climate change

Mon Mar 4 18:30:11 CST 2013

Hi, Victor.

First, Yucca Mountain:  From an engineering point of view, it was entirely workable and completely unnecessary.  The best aspect, in my opinion, is that the fuel would be easily recoverable, after any length of storage (unlike the Waste Isolation Project, where the salt closes in on whatever you put down there).  The longer people wait before retrieving the fuel, the easier it is to deal with, until you reach a point in a couple hundred years where it is so easy it can't get easier.  Unfortunately, the various politicians have messed it up to the point where it is politically undoable.  Fortunately, Yucca Mountain is just one solution to a problem that has several better ones, so perhaps we can do better.  

As far as climate change goes, I don't recall anyone seriously talking about Earth becoming like Venus, though studying Venus is what brought about an understanding of "greenhouse gasses".  But it doesn't take something that dramatic to produce catastrophe.  Change in the heat balance changes weather patterns, and that is all that is needed for very bad things to occur.  If the Monsoons are late, people go hungry.  If they shift by a thousand kilometers, people drown in one place, and die of starvation in another.  Around the world the agriculture and livelihoods of much of humanity depends on reasonably predicable weather.  Climate change, man-caused or natural, is a bad thing.  And it will happen.

On the bright side, almost everything proposed as ways to lessen climate change are worth doing in their own right.  Stopping deforestation is an outstanding idea, whether you believe in climate change or not.  Decreasing waste in electricity production, distribution, and use is an outstanding idea, that improves the economy even more than the environment.  Not dumping crap into the air has so many good things attached to it that they are hard to list.  Shifting energy policy from huge centralized sources, in foreign and/or corporate hands to decentralized production supplying smaller, localized loads has massive national security benefits, as well as being great for the economy and the environment.  

-----Original Message-----
From: radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu [mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of Victor Anderson
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 3:31 PM
To: 'Eric Goldin'; 'The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) MailingList'
Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Teller and Climate change

Good Afternoon,

One inconvenient fact; 70 million years ago carbon dioxide levels were about
6,000 ppm.  The earth did not change into a "hot house" planet like Venus.
Life is still very sustainable.  So what if the global temperature is rising.  Go look at number for human generated carbon dioxide emissions and divide it my the mass of the atmosphere. You come out with a number in the range of 20 ppm.  (I triple dare you).  This simple exercise does not square with the doom and gloom predictions.  Can someone please tell the truth for once?

Now about Yucca Mountain.  Placing spent fuel bundles underground is indeed safe.  The problem is that 50% of each bundle is useable fuel.  That has to do with the way nuclear reactors work.  (No, the used fuel stored in Yucca Mountain can't go critical; wrong geometry for one thing.)  So, my big objection to Yucca Mountain is that we are throwing away billions of dollars of perfectly good fuel.  The United Stated should be reprocessing all of that fuel.  Proliferation of nuclear weapons is a pure bullshit argument.
The United States already is a nuclear power.  By reprocessing the used fuel, we would be turning in into a useable product and the radioactive material left could easily be made into compact, easily disposed packages.
Ultimately, the radioactive waste could be transmuted into very short lived radioactive materials that decay to inert materials in a very short time.
DOE is working on transmutation.  Its really an engineering problem having to do with getting costs down so that is competitive with burial.  Our problems with using nuclear energy to make electricity has more to do with politics and flawed thinking than anything else.  The accident at Fukushima was about as bad as it can get.  Number of deaths from radiation: ZERO.
Yes, I am including the hypothetical cancer deaths from the low radiation levels outside the plant.  I want to see the bodies with the toe tags that say, "Died from radiation induced cancer due the Fukushima nuclear accident."  No one will be able to do that, because that are not there and won't be.

Victor

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[mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of Eric Goldin
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 2:54 PM
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Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Teller and Climate change

Thanks for some rational thought Susan.   I always wonder about those who accept computer models showing the safety of Yucca Mountain and reject the computer models showing climate change.  Ya can't have your cake and eat it too . . . .   Eric Goldin, CHP

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Howard,

How many of these scientists are CLIMATE scientists?

Think about how many scientists with the Union of Concerned Scientists are convinced that nuclear power can never be safe, that any level of radiation exposure will cause cancer, etc.

Scientists taking positions outside of their field are not much better at judging the pertinent technical issues than the informed lay person.
Moreover, they are not immune from having political and social agendas themselves.

And if you reject global warming, I can send numerous links that demonstrate the accelerated melting of mountain glaciers, ice caps, and sea ice over the past 40 or so years.

Regards,*
**Susan Gawarecki*

ph: 865-494-0102
cell:  865-604-3724
SLGawarecki at gmail.com

Howard Long wrote:

"Edward Teller leads our 32,000 scientists, at www.petitionproject.org with conclusive data backing REJECTION  of the selective, global tax hoax of global cooling, global warming or climate change."

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