[ RadSafe ] Fw: A judges' criticism of John W Gofman ? Arthur RTamplin?

[tinyyoli]

    I would agree that the use of "collective dose" is nonsense. But why just 
criticize Gofman and Tamplin for using it. Shouldn't the ICRP assessment which 
gave them the "license" to do so also be subject to some criticism?

Jerry Cohen


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Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] A judges' criticism of John W Gofman ? Arthur RTamplin?

Using "collective dose" we can also show that throwing a 1-gram rock at
everybody in Cleveland should cause a few deaths from crushing - since
the aggregate weight will be close to a ton and we know that you can
crush several people with a ton of rocks.

In reality, exposing each of a million people (or a billion) to a
trivial dose of radiation should have no more impact than exposing each
of a million people (or a billion) to a trivial dose of rock.

Andy

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RTamplin?

May 5

        Of course, Gofman's and Tamplin's deaths are mathematically 
derived deaths.  They can't show us death certificates or autopsies 
any more than they can show us corpses.  I wonder how they 
rationalized deaths from smoking cigarettes.  We can live without 
cigs too.  (No pun intended.)

Steven Dapra


At 04:58 PM 5/5/2013, you wrote:


>Steve,
>    I used the same argument. The response was that we can't do 
> anything about
>natural radiation, but we can live without nuclear power plants. In 
>either case,
>we are talking about a small fraction of the overall death rate.
>Jerry
>
>
>________________________________
>From: Steven Dapra <sjd at swcp.com>
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>Sent: Sun, May 5, 2013 2:10:17 PM
>Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] A judges' criticism of John W Gofman ? 
>Arthur RTamplin?
>
>May 5
>
>        Background radiation exposes that ~300 million to
approximately 2.5
>times 170 mrem/a.  Show us the corpses, (Messrs. Gofman and Tamplin).
>
>Steven Dapra
>
>
>At 02:38 PM 5/5/2013, you wrote:
> > Brent,
> >    I agree. It is certainly possible for  good scientists to have
bad
>opinions.
> > Several years ago, I worked with Gofman and Tamplin at LLNL. 
> Although I did
>not
> > agree with their "logic", I could understand how their application
of ICRP
> > guidance might lead to several thousands " additional deaths" in 
> this country.
> > Simply stated, they "reasoned" that if the entire population of 
> the USA (~ 300
> > million) were exposed to a  maximum allowable dose of 170 mrem/a,
roughly
> >16,000
> > additional deaths would occur. Of course, the news media had a field
day
> > publicizing this "revelation". Although I could not agree with 
> the reasoning,
> > their math seemed  OK. I hesitate to suggest it, but perhaps the 
> "logic" used
> >in
> > development of the ICRP guidance should be open to some question.
> > Jerry Cohen
>
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