[ RadSafe ] A judges' criticism of John W Gofman ? Arthur R Tamplin?

[James Tocci]

My memory is not the greatest and I do not want to "tell tales", but I  
do recall that many years ago when Gofman was "in the news" a  
colleague of mine who knew of more detail of Gofman's life and work  
told me in conversation that Gofman "became one of the critics of  
radiation" because he was very angry that his AEC (or XXX???) grant  
was not renewed.

This recollection is now just one of those old memories that stick  
without all the supporting and convincing "facts" and nothing more at  
this time.

However, I mention this recollection in the hope that there may be  
some of our list members who do remember Gofman's life much better  
than I do.  This is "NOT to throw dirt", but in the interest of the  
historic foundation of how radiation got to be so feared by the public.
Jim

Quoting "KARAM, PHILIP" <ANDREW.KARAM at nypd.org>:

> I believe you are being a bit hasty and dramatic in your response to  
> this thread. It is possible to differentiate between the man and the  
> work. And we can impugn a person?s science without casting  
> aspersions against the person.
>
>
>
> Gofman appears to have been a man of integrity, standing up for what  
> he believed in. But if what he believed in was scientifically wrong  
> then his personal and scientific integrity, while admirable, does  
> not do much to inform either society or science. The cold fusion  
> guys, for example, seemed to have scientific and personal integrity,  
> but their experiments have come to naught. You can say the same  
> thing about many experiments that once seemed promising or  
> revolutionary. Ken Mossman, during his HPS President-Elect tour,  
> gave a talk on Pathological Science, which was an eye-opener and  
> that demonstrated how easy it is for a person of personal and  
> scientific integrity to still go astray in their work ? in my  
> opinion every scientist should have to at least read up on the topic  
> of pathological science. There is a blog posting on this topic that  
> might be worth reading  
> (http://blogs.fas.org/sciencewonk/tag/pathological-science/) and  
> that includes links to a number of web pages related to this topic.
>
>
>
> I don?t doubt that Gofman was following what he felt in his heart to  
> be the correct course of action and that he firmly believed he was  
> correct ? there was too much passion in his writings for him to have  
> been doing everything simply for the sake of notoriety. But I feel  
> that the weight of scientific evidence comes down firmly against his  
> conclusions.
>
>
>
> Finally, I would also suggest that you are mistaken in your  
> assertion that there is not much science to the field of radiation  
> safety. On the contrary, there is a huge body of scientific research  
> that has stood the test of time. There are some areas ? the effects  
> of very low doses of radiation is one ? in which the results are  
> ambiguous. But there is very little question about the fundamental  
> physics behind radiation dose, radioactive decay, radiation  
> detection, radiation interactions, and so forth.
>
>
>
> With best regards,
>
>
>
> Andy
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> P. Andrew Karam, Ph.D., CHP
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> From: NiagaraNet at aol.com [mailto:NiagaraNet at aol.com]
> Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 7:28 AM
> To: blhamrick at aol.com; steve.schulin at nuclear.com;  
> edmond0033 at comcast.net; brent.s.rogers at gmail.com;  
> maurysis at peoplepc.com; howard.long at comcast.net;  
> bobcherry at satx.rr.com; feinendegen at gmx.net; tinyyoli at aol.com; KARAM,  
> PHILIP; sjd at swcp.com; franz.schoenhofer at chello.at
> Cc: niagaranet at aol.com
> Subject: [ RadSafe ] A judges' criticism of John W Gofman ? Arthur R Tamplin?
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> Re:
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> http://health.phys.iit.edu/archives/2013-April/subject.html#start
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> and
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> http://health.phys.iit.edu/archives/2013-May/subject.html#start
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> All:
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> As you malign yet another dead scientist, I find myself commenting  
> once again to the Radsafe group in the defense of those that stand  
> tall beyond the grave, while others living, can only be found to  
> 'stoop low.' How sad.
>
>
>
> I knew John Gofman and not one of you folks will ever be able to  
> hold a candle to his life's work regardless of what shameless things  
> you say or do in the name of your own brand of "science." Apologies  
> if that sounds harsh. When you take your blood pressure or  
> cholesterol medication this morning (if you do so), please also  
> think of John W. Gofman, M.D.'s work in that area too.
>
>
>
> Maligning the work of these two men (Gofman, Tamplin and others  
> living and dead as I've read on the Radsafe list) is a tacit  
> condemnation of your own industry and business self-interests. At  
> least that's quite transparent to those of us reading in. There are  
> few if any on the Radsafe list that have the publishing "legs," the  
> scientific longevity, the educational background, years in the  
> field, shear experience or accomplishment overall that the two  
> scientists being maligned in your postings have. Anyone? What on  
> earth is scientific about that? The dismissing of any scientific  
> opinion in the supposed discourse of it, is not science at all. Put  
> your CVs up to compare with either Gofman or Tamplin's please!
>
>
>
> From one of John's many testimonials:
>
> "He always stood up for the integrity of science," said Charles  
> Weiner, professor emeritus of the history of science at MIT.
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>
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> Thankfully, of course, it's quite well known that what you folks  
> practice isn't really science anyway.
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> Regrets,
>
> Lou Ricciuti
>
> Niagara Falls - Lewiston - Porter - Youngstown, New York
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> "Los Alamos East"
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