[ RadSafe ] RadSafe Digest, Vol 1434, Issue 1
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> 1. Re: Interesting article in the Chicago Tribune (Hans J Wiegert)
> 2. Aliens, etc., etc... (James Power)
> 3. David Suzuki on Fukushima (Brennan, Mike (DOH))
> 4. Re: David Suzuki on Fukushima (Nick Tsurikov)
> 5. Re: David Suzuki on Fukushima (Otto G. Raabe)
> 6. Re: David Suzuki on Fukushima (Roger Helbig)
> 7. Re: David Suzuki on Fukushima (Jaro Franta)
> 8. Re: David Suzuki on Fukushima (JPreisig at aol.com)
> 9. Re: David Suzuki on Fukushima (Strickert, Rick (Consultant))
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2013 16:02:27 -0500
> From: Hans J Wiegert <hjwiegert at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Interesting article in the Chicago Tribune
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> Hi Franz,
>
> Maybe you should try it one Sunday! So far I have not met anyone who got
> hurt by it!
>
> Best Regards,
>
>
> Hans
>
> *Retirement is, when the only day you have to set your alarm clock is
> Sunday - so you are not late for church!*
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 3:42 PM, Franz Sch?nhofer <
> franz.schoenhofer at chello.at> wrote:
>
>> Hans,
>>
>> Sorry that I have to disagree with your otherwise clever mail: Being
>> happily retired, but not being a churchgoer I do not even set my alarm
>> clock on Sunday....
>>
>> Franz
>>
>> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- From: Hans J Wiegert
>> Sent: Monday, November 04, 2013 8:21 PM
>> To: The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Interesting article in the Chicago Tribune
>>
>> Neither is it available in the US without a subscription!
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Hans
>>
>> *Retirement is, when the only day you have to set your alarm clock is
>> Sunday - so you are not late for church!*
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 1:10 PM, Aad van der Kooij
>> <A.vanderKooij at tudelft.nl>wrote:
>>
>> This article is not available outside the US (premium content according to
>>> the pop-up)
>>>
>>> Regards, Aad
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu [mailto:
>>> radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of Brennan, Mike (DOH)
>>> Sent: maandag 4 november 2013 18:42
>>> To: The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) MailingList
>>> Subject: [ RadSafe ] Interesting article in the Chicago Tribune
>>>
>>> It is interesting in that it points out what usually gets ignored: the
>>> plant got hit by one of the worst combination of natural disasters
>>> available, and was destroyed, but no one was killed by radiation, nor are
>>> they likely to be. It also points out that in order to shut down
>>> Germany's
>>> nuclear power plants they are going to start burning brown coal again.
>>> This coal is so dirty that even if you don't believe in CO2 related
>>> climate change you wouldn't want it being burned upwind of you (and thus,
>>> under most widely accepted ethical and religious standards, you wouldn't
>>> want it burned upwind of anyone else.)
>>>
>>> http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/chi-nsc-despite-fukushima-nuclear
>>> -power-really-is-the-only-20131104,0,4780099.story
>>>
>>>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2013 13:38:35 -0800
> From: James Power <james.philip.power at gmail.com>
> Subject: [ RadSafe ] Aliens, etc., etc...
> To: radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu
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> Not sure why this subject is popping up on RADSafe, except that it is an
> electronic whiteboard for some. I prefer to stick to
> radiation safety discussions that was the prime reason for subscribing to
> RADSafe.
>
> I really enjoyed Carl Sagan's treatment of the subject of all things
> unexplained in his book:
>
> *"The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark"*
>
> That's my 2 cents worth and I will go away....
>
> Jim
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2013 14:03:35 -0800
> From: "Brennan, Mike (DOH)" <Mike.Brennan at DOH.WA.GOV>
> Subject: [ RadSafe ] David Suzuki on Fukushima
> To: "The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics)
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> David Suzuki has issued a scary warning about Japan's Fukushima nuclear
> plant, saying that if it falls in a future earthquake, it's "bye bye
> Japan" and the entire west coast of North America should be evacuated.
> http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/11/04/david-suzuki-fukushima-warning_n
> _4213061.html
>
> It would be interesting to see estimates of what the death toll of
> evacuating "the entire west coast of North America" would be. Probably
> hundreds of thousands in the panic that would leave much of the
> population of California in the desert when their gas runs out. Many
> more when they can't get the medicine they need to stay alive. Of
> course, the world-wide economic collapse that the loss of the commerce
> and resources of the West Coast would cause would kill millions, maybe
> more.
>
> But at least they would be spared being exposed to levels of radiation
> that might with difficulty be picked out from background. Maybe.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 10:19:07 +0800
> From: Nick Tsurikov <nick.tsurikov at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] David Suzuki on Fukushima
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> Yep, just watch 1990 'Dreams' film by Akira Kurosawa (relevant parts of
> it), this is along the same lines I reckon...
> Kind regards
> Nick
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 6:03 AM, Brennan, Mike (DOH) <Mike.Brennan at doh.wa.gov
>> wrote:
>
>> David Suzuki has issued a scary warning about Japan's Fukushima nuclear
>> plant, saying that if it falls in a future earthquake, it's "bye bye
>> Japan" and the entire west coast of North America should be evacuated.
>> http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/11/04/david-suzuki-fukushima-warning_n
>> _4213061.html
>>
>> It would be interesting to see estimates of what the death toll of
>> evacuating "the entire west coast of North America" would be. Probably
>> hundreds of thousands in the panic that would leave much of the
>> population of California in the desert when their gas runs out. Many
>> more when they can't get the medicine they need to stay alive. Of
>> course, the world-wide economic collapse that the loss of the commerce
>> and resources of the West Coast would cause would kill millions, maybe
>> more.
>>
>> But at least they would be spared being exposed to levels of radiation
>> that might with difficulty be picked out from background. Maybe.
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> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2013 18:41:48 -0800
> From: "Otto G. Raabe" <ograabe at ucdavis.edu>
> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] David Suzuki on Fukushima
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> At 02:03 PM 11/5/2013, you wrote:
>> David Suzuki has issued a scary warning about Japan's Fukushima nuclear
>> plant, saying that if it falls in a future earthquake, it's "bye bye Japan..
> ***********************
> What nonsense.
>
> 75-year old David Suzuki is zoologist who seems to champion
> irrational causes from the faulty global warming hypothesis
> to the wildly incorrect low dose radiation risk estimates.
>
> **********************************************
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> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 01:45:30 -0800
> From: Roger Helbig <rwhelbig at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] David Suzuki on Fukushima
> To: "The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) Mailing
> List" <radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu>
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> This looks like the latest spin on the Arnold Gundersen version of
> events that he has been peddling regarding spent Fuel Pool for Reactor
> #4 - who is David Suzuki? - someone of some importance or just another
> scientifically ignorant fool?
>
> Roger Helbig
>
> On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 2:03 PM, Brennan, Mike (DOH)
> <Mike.Brennan at doh.wa.gov> wrote:
>> David Suzuki has issued a scary warning about Japan's Fukushima nuclear
>> plant, saying that if it falls in a future earthquake, it's "bye bye
>> Japan" and the entire west coast of North America should be evacuated.
>> http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/11/04/david-suzuki-fukushima-warning_n
>> _4213061.html
>>
>> It would be interesting to see estimates of what the death toll of
>> evacuating "the entire west coast of North America" would be. Probably
>> hundreds of thousands in the panic that would leave much of the
>> population of California in the desert when their gas runs out. Many
>> more when they can't get the medicine they need to stay alive. Of
>> course, the world-wide economic collapse that the loss of the commerce
>> and resources of the West Coast would cause would kill millions, maybe
>> more.
>>
>> But at least they would be spared being exposed to levels of radiation
>> that might with difficulty be picked out from background. Maybe.
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> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2013 07:55:30 -0500
> From: Jaro Franta <jaro_10kbq at videotron.ca>
> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] David Suzuki on Fukushima
> To: "'The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) Mailing
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> Hi Roger,
>
> David Suzuki is, regrettably, a "Canadian icon" of sorts.
>
> He can be seen regularly on the CBC TV program Nature of Things:
> http://www.cbc.ca/natureofthings/
> http://www.cbc.ca/natureofthings/episode/journey-to-the-disaster-zone-japan-
> 311.html
>
> There is also the David Suzuki Foundation:
> https://www.facebook.com/DavidSuzuki
> https://www.facebook.com/DavidSuzukiFoundation
>
> However, in recent years there have been more & more critics.....
>
> http://www.torontosun.com/2013/10/11/the-two-suzukis-theres-saint-suzuki-the
> -one-you-see-on-cbc-and-secret-suzuki-the-capitalist-millionaire
>
> http://nofrakkingconsensus.com/2012/04/18/david-suzukis-smoke-mirrors/
>
> http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/news/editorial/story.html?id=8c65d7e3-
> b237-4381-ad49-09f9ab60716a
>
> https://www.facebook.com/cbcdocs/posts/398629946850058
>
> http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2013/09/25/21151001.html?NewsWatchCanada.
> ca
>
> http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20070223.SUZUKI23/TPStory/F
> ront
>
>
> Jaro
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu
> [mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of Roger Helbig
> Sent: November-06-13 4:46 AM
> To: The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] David Suzuki on Fukushima
>
> This looks like the latest spin on the Arnold Gundersen version of events
> that he has been peddling regarding spent Fuel Pool for Reactor
> #4 - who is David Suzuki? - someone of some importance or just another
> scientifically ignorant fool?
>
> Roger Helbig
>
> On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 2:03 PM, Brennan, Mike (DOH)
> <Mike.Brennan at doh.wa.gov> wrote:
>> David Suzuki has issued a scary warning about Japan's Fukushima
>> nuclear plant, saying that if it falls in a future earthquake, it's
>> "bye bye Japan" and the entire west coast of North America should be
> evacuated.
>> http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/11/04/david-suzuki-fukushima-warning
>> _n
>> _4213061.html
>>
>> It would be interesting to see estimates of what the death toll of
>> evacuating "the entire west coast of North America" would be.
>> Probably hundreds of thousands in the panic that would leave much of
>> the population of California in the desert when their gas runs out.
>> Many more when they can't get the medicine they need to stay alive.
>> Of course, the world-wide economic collapse that the loss of the
>> commerce and resources of the West Coast would cause would kill
>> millions, maybe more.
>>
>> But at least they would be spared being exposed to levels of radiation
>> that might with difficulty be picked out from background. Maybe.
>> _______________________________________________
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> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 12:16:15 -0500 (EST)
> From: JPreisig at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] David Suzuki on Fukushima
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> Radsafe,
>
> CNN apparently is airing a show called Pandora's Promise about
> Nuclear Power on Thursday night. I expect the program will be anti-nuclear????
> It would be nice if they could keep such a feature news report
> factual.
>
> The next really big earthquake in Japan (magnitude 8.0 or above,
> complete with big tsunami) probably won't be at Fukushima, but probably will be
> somewhere else along the Japanese coastline. Hopefully, by then, Japanese
> nuclear plants along the coast will have improved their seawalls and will
> have placed their backup power systems in protected areas.
>
> Joe Preisig
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 11/5/2013 9:42:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> ograabe at ucdavis.edu writes:
>
> At 02:03 PM 11/5/2013, you wrote:
>> David Suzuki has issued a scary warning about Japan's Fukushima nuclear
>> plant, saying that if it falls in a future earthquake, it's "bye bye
> Japan..
> ***********************
> What nonsense.
>
> 75-year old David Suzuki is zoologist who seems to champion
> irrational causes from the faulty global warming hypothesis
> to the wildly incorrect low dose radiation risk estimates.
>
> **********************************************
> Prof. Otto G. Raabe, Ph.D., CHP
> Center for Health & the Environment
> University of California
> One Shields Avenue
> Davis, CA 95616
> E-Mail: ograabe at ucdavis.edu
> Phone: (530) 752-7754 FAX: (530) 758-6140
> ***********************************************
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> Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 17:21:08 +0000
> From: "Strickert, Rick (Consultant)" <rstrickert at signaturescience.com>
> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] David Suzuki on Fukushima
> To: "The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) Mailing
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>> From the HuffPost BC article, "David Suzuki's Fukushima Warning Is Dire And Scary":
>
> "I have seen a paper which says that if in fact the fourth plant goes under in an earthquake and those rods are exposed, it's bye bye Japan and everybody on the west coast of North America should evacuate," he said.
>
> "If that isn't terrifying, I don't know what is."
>
> And apparently so terrifying no reference to the "paper" is provided.
>
> Rick Strickert
> Austin, TX
>
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