[ RadSafe ] RadSafe Digest, Vol 1406, Issue 1 - Arctic Sea Ice (see also Antarctic sea ice)
Leo M. Lowe
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Wed Sep 25 13:04:18 CDT 2013
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>Today's Topics:
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> 1. Re: Arctic Ice (KARAM, PHILIP)
> 2. (no subject) (John Ahlquist)
> 3. Re: real Arctic Ice Data (JOHN.RICH at sargentlundy.com)
> 4. Congenital birth defects in Iraq (parthasarathy k s)
> 5. Fwd: [New post] Gregory Jaczko: The Ongoing Fukushima Daiichi
> Crisis (Roger Helbig)
> 6. Fwd: [New post] Concrete cover is a safer option for crippled
> Fukushima nuclear power plant (Roger Helbig)
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>Message: 1
>Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 17:37:04 +0000
>From: "KARAM, PHILIP" <PHILIP.KARAM at nypd.org>
>Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Arctic Ice
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>There are so many factors - many of them cyclical - affecting the
>Earth's temperature and the amount of ice at the poles that it's
>hard to keep track of them all. Solar output is variable, with a
>generally increasing trend over hundreds of millions of years. So
>there's the 11-year solar activity cycle, plus much longer-amplitude
>cycles over millennia and longer. But overall (i.e. the life of the
>solar system) the sun has been getting hotter - today it produces
>about 30% more energy (give or take) than it did a few billion years
>ago. Anyhow - the take-home message from that part is that solar
>activity is variable on many time-scales and this variability
>certainly has an effect on Earth's temperature.
>
>Add to that the variability in the earth's orbit etc. that we
>learned about in middle school or high school - the earth precesses
>on its axis, the tilt varies, the orbit becomes more and less
>circular, and so forth - all of these influence the amount of solar
>radiation that reaches the surface as well. Couple these
>variabilities with those of the sun's output and you get a fairly
>complex function. What we're doing to the planet comes on top of all
>of these natural factors (including what's mentioned below). The
>question is whether or not our influence is significant and whether
>or not it can be sorted out from all of the innate natural variabilities.
>
>Andy
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu
>[mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of JPreisig at aol.com
>Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 1:23 PM
>To: radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu
>Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Arctic Ice
>
>Radsafe:
>
> Of course. In terms of Earth orientation (with respect to the Sun)
>1998 was a polar motion amplitude high (strongly dipping towards the Sun),
>while 2020 will be like 1976 (rather low polar motion amplitude). I've
>asked Chopo Ma (NASA Goddard) to plot the polar motion amplitude
>with respect
>to time and/or Arctic/Antarctic Sea Ice percentage, and we'll see if such a
>data plot will show up one day soon. A good data plot (with good fitting)
>should give some resolution to this question NOW.
>
> The VLBI earth orientation data are available from NASA Goddard's Very
>Long Baseline Interferometry website, and someone else at NASA has the
>Arctic/Antarctic ice percentage data. Someone with a few
>weeks available (at
>Sandia, Los Alamos or elsewhere) could do the World a service by doing this
>calculation. Good books on Earth Orientation are Munk and MacDonald,
>Lambeck I and Lambeck II (Space Geodesy). This stuff isn't simple
>though. Get
>Cranking???
>
>
> Joe Preisig
>
>
>
>
>In a message dated 9/23/2013 10:05:28 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>mmiller at sandia.gov writes:
>
>Worth noting, of course. However, one data point does not a trend make.
>Stay tuned for a decade or two.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: JPreisig at aol.com [mailto:JPreisig at aol.com]
>Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2013 10:32 AM
>To: radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu
>Subject: [ RadSafe ] Fwd: Arctic Ice
>
>
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>
>____________________________________
>From: JPreisig at aol.com
>To: dickman at binghamton.edu
>Sent: 9/21/2013 12:30:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time
>Subj: Arctic Ice
>
>
>Dr. Dickman/Steve:
>
>News item today on Google News.
>
>Sea ice in the Arctic Ocean underwent a sharp recovery this year from the
> record-low levels of 2012, with 50 percent more ice surviving the
>summer melt season, scientists said Friday.
>
>Will this trend continue???
>
>Thus endeth Global Warming????
>
>
>Joe Preisig
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>Message: 2
>Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 12:16:11 -0700 (PDT)
>From: John Ahlquist <john.ahlquist at sbcglobal.net>
>Subject: [ RadSafe ] (no subject)
>To: Radsafe <radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu>
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>Radsafe:
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>The link below might answer the questions on Arctic ice. ?It has the
>average of 30 years of data and throws in 2012 and 2013 to date.
>
>http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/N_stddev_timeseries.png
>
>
>John Ahlquist
>====================
>
>Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 13:23:08 -0400 (EDT)
>From:?JPreisig at aol.com
>Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Arctic Ice
>To:?radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu
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>Radsafe:
>
>? ? Of course.? In terms of Earth orientation? (with respect to the Sun)?
>1998 was a polar motion amplitude high (strongly? dipping towards the Sun),?
>while 2020 will be like 1976 (rather low polar motion? amplitude).? I've?
>asked Chopo Ma (NASA Goddard) to plot the polar motion? amplitude
>with respect?
>to time and/or Arctic/Antarctic Sea Ice percentage, and? we'll see if such a?
>data plot will show up one day soon.? A good data plot? (with good fitting)?
>should give some resolution to this question NOW.
>
>? ? The VLBI earth orientation data are available from NASA? Goddard's Very?
>Long Baseline Interferometry website, and someone else at NASA? has the?
>Arctic/Antarctic ice percentage data.? Someone with a few weeks?
>available (at?
>Sandia, Los Alamos or elsewhere) could do the World a service by? doing this?
>calculation.? Good books on Earth Orientation are Munk and? MacDonald,?
>Lambeck I and Lambeck II (Space Geodesy).? This stuff isn't? simple
>though.? Get?
>Cranking???
>
>
>? ? Joe Preisig
>
>In a message dated 9/23/2013 10:05:28 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,??
>mmiller at sandia.gov?writes:
>
>Worth? noting, of course.? However, one data point does not a trend make.??
>Stay tuned for a decade or two.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From:??JPreisig at aol.com?[mailto:JPreisig at aol.com]?
>Sent: Saturday, September 21,? 2013 10:32 AM
>To:?radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu
>Subject: [ RadSafe ] Fwd:? Arctic Ice
>___________________________________
>From:?JPreisig at aol.com
>To:??dickman at binghamton.edu
>Sent: 9/21/2013? 12:30:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight? Time
>Subj: Arctic Ice
>Dr. Dickman/Steve:
>
>News item today on Google News.
>
>Sea? ice in the Arctic Ocean underwent a sharp? recovery this year from the?
>record-low levels of 2012, with? 50 percent? more ice surviving the??
>summer melt season, scientists said Friday.
>
>Will? this trend continue???
>
>Thus endeth Global? Warming????
>
>Joe? Preisig
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 3
>Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 14:23:18 -0500
>From: JOHN.RICH at sargentlundy.com
>Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] real Arctic Ice Data
>To: John Ahlquist <john.ahlquist at sbcglobal.net>, "The International
> Radiation Protection \(Health Physics\) Mailing List"
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>Thx much for the real data plot. Its better than 'words' at putting things
>in perspective.
> - -jmr
>John Rich
>312-269-3768
>
>
>
>From: John Ahlquist <john.ahlquist at sbcglobal.net>
>To: Radsafe <radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu>
>Date: 09/24/2013 02:17 PM
>Subject: [ RadSafe ] (no subject)
>Sent by: radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu
>
>
>
>Radsafe:
>
>The link below might answer the questions on Arctic ice. It has the
>average of 30 years of data and throws in 2012 and 2013 to date.
>
>http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/N_stddev_timeseries.png
>
>
>
>John Ahlquist
>====================
>
>
>
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>Message: 4
>Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 06:56:49 +0100 (BST)
>From: parthasarathy k s <ksparth at yahoo.co.uk>
>Subject: [ RadSafe ] Congenital birth defects in Iraq
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>Cc: Roger Helbig <rhelbig at california.com>, Roger Helbig
> <rwhelbig at gmail.com>
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>Friends,
>
>The WHO has publish3d its study on congenital birth defects in
>Iraq.The summary of the study can be accessed at:
>http://www.emro.who.int/images/stories/iraq/documents/Congenital_birth_defects_report.pdf
>
>The study concluded thus:
>
>The survey data was collected by interviewing women of reproductive
>age in a? sample of households in 18 selected districts of Iraq. The
>rates for spontaneous? abortion, stillbirths and congenital birth
>defects found in the study are consistent with or even lower than
>international estimates. The study provides no clear evidence to
>suggest an unusually high rate of congenital birth defects in Iraq.
>
>However, the results do reflect local variation as well as a lower
>rate of congenital birth defects before 1998. Although this may be
>attributable to difficulties in recalling events that occurred in
>the more distant past, further in/depth analysis of available data
>and additional information is needed to confirm this and explain the
>local variations.
>
>While reviewing a study which concluded that there were excess birth
>defects post 1998, I found that that report made some false claims.
>I did not pursue it further as it would have been similar to the
>futile efforts to nail the scientific inaccuracies of Chris Busby!!
>
>
>Regards
>Parthasarathy
>
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>
>Message: 5
>Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 05:46:28 -0700
>From: Roger Helbig <rwhelbig at gmail.com>
>Subject: [ RadSafe ] Fwd: [New post] Gregory Jaczko: The Ongoing
> Fukushima Daiichi Crisis
>To: RADSAFE <radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu>
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>Gregory Jaczko: The Ongoing Fukushima Daiichi Crisis; Ongoing
>Radioactive Discharges and Other Current Issues The radioactive
>discharge problem at Tepco's Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power p... "
>
>The radioactive discharge problem at Tepco's Fukushima Daiichi nuclear
>power plant is bringing worldwide attention to Japan's ability to deal
>with the continuing crisis at Fukushima.
>PRESS CONFERENCE 9/24 Foreign Correspondents Club of Japan
>Gregory Jaczko, Former Chairman,US Nuclear Regulatory Commission
>Torgen Johnson,Citizens' Representative, San Diego Forum
>Tetsuro Tsutsui,Member, Nuclear Regulation Sub-committee,
>Citizens' Commission on Nuclear Energy (CCNE) /
>Nuclear Power Plant Technical Experts' Group
>
>http://www.ustream.tv/channel/iwj6
>???????FCCJ????
>?????????Gregory Jaczko:??????????????NRC???
>????????????????????????????? (?????????)
>????:(???????????)???????? ????
>??????OK???? ?????????????9/12
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzSab6...
>??????????????? ?????? 9/12??? ????????
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afaaif...
>???9/23 ??????????????????????
>??????????????????????????????????? | IWJ
>http://iwj.co.jp/wj/open/archives/102941????????????????
>
>arclight2011part2 | September 25, 2013 at 12:08 pm | URL:
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>Message: 6
>Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 05:58:34 -0700
>From: Roger Helbig <rwhelbig at gmail.com>
>Subject: [ RadSafe ] Fwd: [New post] Concrete cover is a safer option
> for crippled Fukushima nuclear power plant
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>They keep trying to make this Chernobyl revisited. Does the former
>Chair of the NRC really have any actual knowledge or is he just
>politician? This is beginning to look like more of the Gundersen or
>Michio Kaku doomsday scenario approach. It would seem like you could
>filter out the radioactive elements from the cooling water and
>concentrate them; is that feasible or would the result be too hot to
>handle?
>
>Roger Helbig
>
>
>Concrete cover is a safer option for crippled Fukushima nuclear power plant
>
>by Christina MacPherson
>
>Japan Expert: Cancel plans for trying to remove Fukushima melted fuel
>? Cover buildings with concrete instead(VIDEO)
>http://enenews.com/japan-expert-cancel-plans-trying-remove-fukushima-melted-fuel-cover-buildings-concrete-instead-video
>
>Title: Jaczko, Johnson & Tsutsui, The Ongoing Fukushima Daiichi Crisis
>Source: Foreign Correspondents? Club of Japan
>Date: September 24, 2013
>
>Tetsuro Tsutsui, Member of Nuclear Regulation Subcommittee, Citizens?
>Commission on Nuclear Energy (CCNE) Nuclear Power Plant Technical
>Experts? Group:
>
>Plans for removal of debris should be cancelled. The current METI and
>Tepco road map says that the removal of the [melted fuel] debris will
>begin 8.5 years after the accident and be completed 20 to 25 years
>after the accident.
>
>We propose the following alternative: The contaminated water problem
>should be resolved. Spent fuel in the spent fuel pools should be
>removed as planned. Then we propose that the water cooling of the
>damaged reactor cores should be continued until the decay heat is
>reduced sufficiently for natural air circulation. Subsequently, the
>equipment and building areas [slated?] for isolation should be covered
>with concrete.
>
>Gregory Jaczko: The Ongoing Fukushima Daiichi Crisis 9/24/2013
>
>This proposed method could avoid many uncertain difficulties which
>would arise in the METI/Tepco plan, including: Plugging an uncertain
>number of cracks in the pressure and containment vessels; The need to
>develop missiles to break up the blocks of debris and remove the
>pieces of debris; The extensive radioactive dose to workers; The huge
>financial expenses.
>Watch the FCCJ event here
>
>See also: Bloomberg: Tepco now in talks to cover Fukushima reactors
>with concrete for next 75 years ? Officials reviewing plan in U.S.
>
>Christina MacPherson | September 25, 2013 at 7:32 am | URL:
>http://wp.me/phgse-f10
>
>http://nuclear-news.net/2013/09/25/concrete-cover-is-a-safer-option-for-crippled-fukushima-nuclear-power-plant/
>
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