[ RadSafe ] Nuclear Power in Utah?

Dan McCarn hotgreenchile at gmail.com
Sat Aug 30 18:38:34 CDT 2014


The Wasatch Range forms the western boundary of the Colorado Plateau.
Staying well within the bounds of the Colorado Plateau gives high assurance
of a stable area. 500 million years of stability is a very, very, very long
time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorado_Plateau

QUOTE The province is bounded by the Rocky Mountains in Colorado, and by
the Uinta Mountains and Wasatch Mountains branches of the Rockies in
northern and central Utah. It is also bounded by the Rio Grande Rift,
Mogollon Rim and the Basin and Range Province. Isolated ranges of the
Southern Rocky Mountains such as the San Juan Mountains in Colorado and the
La Sal Mountains in Utah intermix into the central and southern parts of
the Colorado Plateau.The province is bounded by the Rocky Mountains in
Colorado, and by the Uinta Mountains and Wasatch Mountains branches of the
Rockies in northern and central Utah. It is also bounded by the Rio Grande
Rift, Mogollon Rim and the Basin and Range Province. Isolated ranges of the
Southern Rocky Mountains such as the San Juan Mountains in Colorado and the
La Sal Mountains in Utah intermix into the central and southern parts of
the Colorado Plateau. UNQUOTE

Dan ii

Dan W McCarn, Geologist
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On Sat, Aug 30, 2014 at 11:06 AM, <JPreisig at aol.com> wrote:

> Hmmmmm,
>
>      Utah is still earthquake country.  See the  Wasatch fault, I think.
>
>      Joe Preisig
>
> PS    This fault has been active in the last 20 years.
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 8/29/2014 4:30:15 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> hotgreenchile at gmail.com writes:
>
> Just a  brief comment... The Colorado Plateau is very stable  geologically.
>
> http://cpluhna.nau.edu/Places/places.htm
>
> QUOTE
> "The  Colorado Plateau is extremely ancient," says author F.A. Barnes, an
> expert  on the region's geology. "As a distinct mass of continental crust,
> it is at  least 500 million years old -- probably a lot older." Such
> longevity is  especially impressive when one considers the globetrotting
> adventures of  the North American continent from the perspective of
> continental drift  theory. Over a period of 300 to 400 million years, while
> the land mass that  would become the North American continent inched
> northward from the South  Pole, gradually disengaging itself from Africa,
> Asia, and South America,  the Colorado Plateau region drifted along
> comfortably on its western edge.  Now shoreline, now inundated by rising
> seas, the entire region accumulated  huge quantities of sediment, gradually
> sinking under its own weight until  heat and pressure hardened the deposits
> into a mantle of sedimentary rock  several miles thick. Even when the
> entire
> western United States began to  rise some 10 million years ago, eventually
> climbing to elevations as much  as three miles above sea level, the
> Colorado
> Plateau region remained stable  – perhaps "floating" on a cushion of molten
> rock.
> UNQUOTE
>
> Dan  ii
>
> Dan W McCarn, Geologist
> 108 Sherwood Blvd
> Los Alamos, NM  87544-3425
> +1-505-672-2014 (Home – New Mexico)
> +1-505-670-8123 (Mobile -  New Mexico)
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>
>
> On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 8:16 PM, Jeff Terry  <terryj at iit.edu> wrote:
>
> > It is too bad that Westinghouse  dropped out of the SMR market. They had
> a
> > great team.
> >
> >  I was fortunate to talk with the Westinghouse group while we were
> >  conducting research to model SMR construction costs.
> >
> > The W  design was similar to the AP1000 but was scaled down to 225  MWe.
> >
> > Jeff
> >
> >
> > On Aug 28, 2014, at 8:32 PM,  "Thompson, Dewey L" <DThompson3 at ameren.com
> >
> >  wrote:
> >
> > > Hummmmmmm
> > >
> > > No.
> >  >
> > > There is no 100,000 mega-watt electrical fission reactor on  earth.
> > >
> > > This is the hope and dream of starry-eyed  idealists salivating over
> > fusion.
> > >
> > > As the  previous post mentioned, the Circle W AP 1000 is a pretty
> > standard  large block PWR reactor.
> > >
> > > Some older reactors are in  the 500-800 MWe range.
> > >
> > > Most "modern" fission  reactors are in the 1000 MWe range. The new
> Areva
> > PWR targets I think  1400-1600 MWe.
> > >
> > > I have no idea where your information  originates from, you may be
> > thinking about the Small Modular Reactors  which the Department of Energy
> > has been trying to seed. These are  exciting, as they would be in the
> range
> > of 200-300 MWe (actually  anywhere from 25 MWe to about 500 MWe). A small
> > city could locate one  nearby, and have reliable power costs. There are a
> > fair number of  approaches to the SMR, and as I think about it, Circle W
> WAS
> > planning  to design a SMR using a baby AP-1000 design.  I think it was in
> >  the 200 MEe range.  They have abandoned that after losing out on the
> DOE
> > seed money.
> > >
> > > Dewey
> > >
> >  > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > >> On Aug 28, 2014, at  12:10 PM, "Bean, Jennifer Marie" <
> jmbean at lanl.gov>
> >  wrote:
> > >>
> > >> From:    <jmbean at lanl.gov>
> > >> Reply-To:  "The International  Radiation  Protection (Health Physics)
> > Mailing List"   <radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu>
> > >> Date:  Thursday,  August 28, 2014
> > >> To:   <radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu>
> > >> Subject:   Re:  [ RadSafe ] Nuclear Power in Utah?
> > >>
> > >> AP1000's  produce much less power than a normal nuclear power plant.
> > They are  expected to have about 1000 MWe for a single reactor vs.
> 100,000
> > MWe  for the older reactors.  This allows the small modular reactors to
> be
> > placed in areas with smaller energy demands.  And if the
> demand/population
> > grows another reactor can be built and added to the  grid.  It would be
> > pretty exciting if these got off the ground in  the US.
> > >>
> > >> Regards,
> > >>
> >  >> Jennifer
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> >  >> In a message dated 8/27/2014 12:36:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight  Time,
> > sandyfl at cox.net writes:
> > >>
> > >> Joe,  not  only your well-taken comment, I wonder how they would build
> >  the distribution system to get the power to where it is needed, and last
>   I
> > looked, there isn?t much of a demand in Utah! Normally units are  built
> > close to the area that it wishes to serve. Now it could be  possible that
> > the current grid in the area is able to ship he power to  where it is
> > needed, but what is around Utah where there is an  energy  demand?
> > >>
> > >> Regards,
> >  >>
> > >> Sandy
> > >> Retired, Consultant
> >  >>
> > >> From:   <JPreisig at aol.com>
> >  >> Reply-To:  "The International Radiation  Protection (Health  Physics)
> > Mailing List"   <radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu>
> > >> Date:  Wednesday,  August 27, 2014  at 9:32 AM
> > >> To:   <radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu>
> > >> Subject:   Re:  [ RadSafe ] Nuclear Power in Utah?
> > >>
> > >>  Radsafe,
> > >>
> > >> Utah is earthquake country.   Read about it in  Bolt's book  on
> > >>  earthquakes.  No tsunami hazard, thank goodness.  Bad    idea to
> build a
> > >> nuclear plant
> > >> in  Utah???  Engineer it very  well....
> > >>
> >  >> Joe Preisig
> > >>
> > >>
> >  >>
> > >>
> > >> In a message dated  8/27/2014  10:56:03 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> > sandyfl at cox.net   writes:
> > >>
> > >> Thanks  Brent,
> >  >>
> > >> This would be a real achievement if  it ever  gets off the ground.
> > However, with the politics out west,   including Utah, there is a strong
> > anti-nuclear stance and  seriously  doubt that this project has any legs
> to
> > stand on. I  hope that I am  wrong!
> > >>
> > >> Regards,
> >  >>
> > >> Sandy
> > >> Retired,    Consultant
> > >>
> > >> From:  Brent  Rogers   <brent.rogers at optusnet.com.au>
> > >>  Reply-To:  "The  International  Radiation Protection (Health
> Physics)
> > Mailing List"   <radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu>
> > >> Date:    Wednesday, August 27, 2014  at 4:24 AM
> > >> To:  "The  International  Radiation Protection (Health  Physics)
> >  Mailing List"
> > >> <radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu>
> >  >> Subject:  [  RadSafe ]  Nuclear Power in    Utah?
> > >>
> > >>
> >
>
> http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/NN-AP1000s-mooted-for-Utah-site-2108147.ht
> >  >> ml
> > >>
> > >> Brent   Rogers
> >  >> Sydney Australia
> > >>
> > >> Sent from  my   iPad
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> > >> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 16:22:52 -0700
> > >>  From: Sander Perle <sandyfl at cox.net>
> > >> Subject: Re: [  RadSafe ] Nuclear Power in Utah?
> > >> To: "The International  Radiation Protection (Health Physics) Mailing
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> >  >>
> > >> Joe, could be in all directions. California?s demand  has dropped over
> > the
> > >> years, even to the point where  the San Onofre Nuclear Plant has been
> > >> shutdown without any  apparent ramifications.
> > >>
> > >> Regards,
> >  >>
> > >> Sandy Perle
> > >> Retired,  Consultant
> > >>
> > >> From:   <JPreisig at aol.com>
> > >> Reply-To:  "The International  Radiation Protection (Health Physics)
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> > >> Date:  Wednesday,  August 27, 2014 at 3:47 PM
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> > >> Subject:  Re: [  RadSafe ] Nuclear Power in Utah?
> > >>
> > >>  Sandy/Radsafe,
> > >>
> > >>    Wonder if the  power will be sent to  California???  An
> >  updated/revised
> > >> version of the USGS USA Seismic risk  map  is probably on the USGS
> > website
> > >>  now.
> > >>
> > >>    Joe Preisig
> >  >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>  In a message dated 8/27/2014 12:36:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> >  >> sandyfl at cox.net writes:
> > >>
> > >>
> >  >>
> > >>
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