[ RadSafe ] Nuclear Power in Utah?

JPreisig at aol.com JPreisig at aol.com
Sat Aug 30 23:52:04 CDT 2014


Hey Dan/Radsafe:
 
     Geologically stable, yes.  Seismically  stable, not so much.  There's 
a reason UUtah has a good seismology  group.
 
     google earthquake and  wasatch     ...
 
     Read what you find.  People building a 1000  MWe reactor, or whatever, 
in Utah need to determine the actual level of  seismic risk, and if one can 
engineer a reactor to be built in Utah.
 
     Go look at the Wasatch fault.  Bring your  Estwing and your Brunton 
compass.
 
     Joe Preisig
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
In a message dated 8/30/2014 7:39:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
hotgreenchile at gmail.com writes:

The  Wasatch Range forms the western boundary of the Colorado Plateau.
Staying  well within the bounds of the Colorado Plateau gives high assurance
of a  stable area. 500 million years of stability is a very, very, very  
long
time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorado_Plateau

QUOTE  The province is bounded by the Rocky Mountains in Colorado, and by
the  Uinta Mountains and Wasatch Mountains branches of the Rockies in
northern  and central Utah. It is also bounded by the Rio Grande Rift,
Mogollon Rim  and the Basin and Range Province. Isolated ranges of the
Southern Rocky  Mountains such as the San Juan Mountains in Colorado and the
La Sal  Mountains in Utah intermix into the central and southern parts of
the  Colorado Plateau.The province is bounded by the Rocky Mountains  in
Colorado, and by the Uinta Mountains and Wasatch Mountains branches of  the
Rockies in northern and central Utah. It is also bounded by the Rio  Grande
Rift, Mogollon Rim and the Basin and Range Province. Isolated ranges  of the
Southern Rocky Mountains such as the San Juan Mountains in Colorado  and the
La Sal Mountains in Utah intermix into the central and southern  parts of
the Colorado Plateau. UNQUOTE

Dan ii

Dan W McCarn,  Geologist
108 Sherwood Blvd
Los Alamos, NM 87544-3425
+1-505-672-2014  (Home – New Mexico)
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On Sat, Aug 30, 2014 at 11:06 AM, <JPreisig at aol.com>  wrote:

> Hmmmmm,
>
>      Utah is still  earthquake country.  See the  Wasatch fault, I  think.
>
>      Joe Preisig
>
>  PS    This fault has been active in the last 20  years.
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 8/29/2014  4:30:15 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> hotgreenchile at gmail.com  writes:
>
> Just a  brief comment... The Colorado Plateau is  very stable  
geologically.
>
>  http://cpluhna.nau.edu/Places/places.htm
>
> QUOTE
>  "The  Colorado Plateau is extremely ancient," says author F.A. Barnes,  
an
> expert  on the region's geology. "As a distinct mass of  continental 
crust,
> it is at  least 500 million years old --  probably a lot older." Such
> longevity is  especially impressive  when one considers the globetrotting
> adventures of  the North  American continent from the perspective of
> continental drift   theory. Over a period of 300 to 400 million years, 
while
> the land mass  that  would become the North American continent inched
> northward  from the South  Pole, gradually disengaging itself from Africa,
>  Asia, and South America,  the Colorado Plateau region drifted  along
> comfortably on its western edge.  Now shoreline, now  inundated by rising
> seas, the entire region accumulated  huge  quantities of sediment, 
gradually
> sinking under its own weight  until  heat and pressure hardened the 
deposits
> into a mantle of  sedimentary rock  several miles thick. Even when the
>  entire
> western United States began to  rise some 10 million years  ago, 
eventually
> climbing to elevations as much  as three miles  above sea level, the
> Colorado
> Plateau region remained  stable  – perhaps "floating" on a cushion of 
molten
> rock.
>  UNQUOTE
>
> Dan  ii
>
> Dan W McCarn,  Geologist
> 108 Sherwood Blvd
> Los Alamos, NM   87544-3425
> +1-505-672-2014 (Home – New Mexico)
> +1-505-670-8123  (Mobile -  New Mexico)
> HotGreenChile at gmail.com (Private email)  HotGreenChile at gmail  dot com
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 28,  2014 at 8:16 PM, Jeff Terry  <terryj at iit.edu>  wrote:
>
> > It is too bad that Westinghouse  dropped out  of the SMR market. They 
had
> a
> > great team.
>  >
> >  I was fortunate to talk with the Westinghouse group  while we were
> >  conducting research to model SMR construction  costs.
> >
> > The W  design was similar to the AP1000  but was scaled down to 225  
MWe.
> >
> > Jeff
>  >
> >
> > On Aug 28, 2014, at 8:32 PM,  "Thompson,  Dewey L" 
<DThompson3 at ameren.com
> >
> >   wrote:
> >
> > > Hummmmmmm
> > >
> >  > No.
> >  >
> > > There is no 100,000  mega-watt electrical fission reactor on  earth.
> > >
>  > > This is the hope and dream of starry-eyed  idealists salivating  over
> > fusion.
> > >
> > > As the   previous post mentioned, the Circle W AP 1000 is a pretty
> >  standard  large block PWR reactor.
> > >
> > >  Some older reactors are in  the 500-800 MWe range.
> >  >
> > > Most "modern" fission  reactors are in the 1000  MWe range. The new
> Areva
> > PWR targets I think   1400-1600 MWe.
> > >
> > > I have no idea where your  information  originates from, you may be
> > thinking about the  Small Modular Reactors  which the Department of 
Energy
> > has  been trying to seed. These are  exciting, as they would be in the
>  range
> > of 200-300 MWe (actually  anywhere from 25 MWe to  about 500 MWe). A 
small
> > city could locate one  nearby, and  have reliable power costs. There 
are a
> > fair number of   approaches to the SMR, and as I think about it, Circle 
W
> WAS
>  > planning  to design a SMR using a baby AP-1000 design.  I think  it 
was in
> >  the 200 MEe range.  They have abandoned that  after losing out on the
> DOE
> > seed money.
> >  >
> > > Dewey
> > >
> >  > Sent  from my iPhone
> > >
> > >> On Aug 28, 2014,  at  12:10 PM, "Bean, Jennifer Marie" <
>  jmbean at lanl.gov>
> >  wrote:
> > >>
>  > >> From:    <jmbean at lanl.gov>
> > >>  Reply-To:  "The International  Radiation  Protection (Health  
Physics)
> > Mailing List"    <radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu>
> > >> Date:   Thursday,  August 28, 2014
> > >> To:    <radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu>
> > >> Subject:    Re:  [ RadSafe ] Nuclear Power in Utah?
> > >>
>  > >> AP1000's  produce much less power than a normal nuclear  power 
plant.
> > They are  expected to have about 1000 MWe for a  single reactor vs.
> 100,000
> > MWe  for the older  reactors.  This allows the small modular reactors to
> be
>  > placed in areas with smaller energy demands.  And if the
>  demand/population
> > grows another reactor can be built and added to  the  grid.  It would be
> > pretty exciting if these got  off the ground in  the US.
> > >>
> > >>  Regards,
> > >>
> >  >> Jennifer
>  > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> >   >> In a message dated 8/27/2014 12:36:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight   Time,
> > sandyfl at cox.net writes:
> > >>
> >  >> Joe,  not  only your well-taken comment, I wonder how they  would 
build
> >  the distribution system to get the power to  where it is needed, and 
last
>   I
> > looked, there  isn?t much of a demand in Utah! Normally units are  built
> >  close to the area that it wishes to serve. Now it could be  possible  
that
> > the current grid in the area is able to ship he power  to  where it is
> > needed, but what is around Utah where there  is an  energy  demand?
> > >>
> > >>  Regards,
> >  >>
> > >> Sandy
> >  >> Retired, Consultant
> >  >>
> > >>  From:   <JPreisig at aol.com>
> >  >>  Reply-To:  "The International Radiation  Protection (Health   
Physics)
> > Mailing List"    <radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu>
> > >> Date:   Wednesday,  August 27, 2014  at 9:32 AM
> > >>  To:   <radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu>
> > >>  Subject:   Re:  [ RadSafe ] Nuclear Power in Utah?
> >  >>
> > >>  Radsafe,
> > >>
>  > >> Utah is earthquake country.   Read about it in   Bolt's book  on
> > >>  earthquakes.  No tsunami  hazard, thank goodness.  Bad    idea to
> build a
>  > >> nuclear plant
> > >> in  Utah???   Engineer it very  well....
> > >>
> >   >> Joe Preisig
> > >>
> > >>
>  >  >>
> > >>
> > >> In a message  dated  8/27/2014  10:56:03 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> >  sandyfl at cox.net   writes:
> > >>
> >  >> Thanks  Brent,
> >  >>
> > >>  This would be a real achievement if  it ever  gets off the  ground.
> > However, with the politics out west,    including Utah, there is a 
strong
> > anti-nuclear stance and   seriously  doubt that this project has any 
legs
> to
> >  stand on. I  hope that I am  wrong!
> > >>
>  > >> Regards,
> >  >>
> > >>  Sandy
> > >> Retired,    Consultant
> >  >>
> > >> From:  Brent  Rogers    <brent.rogers at optusnet.com.au>
> > >>   Reply-To:  "The  International  Radiation Protection  (Health
> Physics)
> > Mailing List"    <radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu>
> > >> Date:     Wednesday, August 27, 2014  at 4:24 AM
> > >> To:   "The  International  Radiation Protection (Health   Physics)
> >  Mailing List"
> > >>  <radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu>
> >  >> Subject:   [  RadSafe ]  Nuclear Power in    Utah?
> >  >>
> > >>
> >
>
>  
http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/NN-AP1000s-mooted-for-Utah-site-2108147.ht
>  >  >> ml
> > >>
> > >>  Brent   Rogers
> >  >> Sydney Australia
>  > >>
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> > >>  Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 16:22:52 -0700
> > >>  From: Sander  Perle <sandyfl at cox.net>
> > >> Subject: Re: [   RadSafe ] Nuclear Power in Utah?
> > >> To: "The  International  Radiation Protection (Health Physics) 
Mailing
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> >   >>
> > >> Joe, could be in all directions. California?s  demand  has dropped 
over
> > the
> > >> years,  even to the point where  the San Onofre Nuclear Plant has 
been
>  > >> shutdown without any  apparent ramifications.
> >  >>
> > >> Regards,
> >  >>
>  > >> Sandy Perle
> > >> Retired,   Consultant
> > >>
> > >> From:    <JPreisig at aol.com>
> > >> Reply-To:  "The  International  Radiation Protection (Health Physics)
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> > >> Date:   Wednesday,  August 27, 2014 at 3:47 PM
> > >>  To:   <radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu>
> > >>  Subject:  Re: [  RadSafe ] Nuclear Power in Utah?
> >  >>
> > >>  Sandy/Radsafe,
> >  >>
> > >>    Wonder if the  power will be  sent to  California???  An
> >   updated/revised
> > >> version of the USGS USA Seismic  risk  map  is probably on the USGS
> > website
> >  >>  now.
> > >>
> > >>     Joe Preisig
> >  >>
> > >>
> >  >>
> > >>
> > >>  In a message dated  8/27/2014 12:36:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> >  >>  sandyfl at cox.net writes:
> > >>
> > >>
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