[ RadSafe ] Treating Coal-fired plant waste as TENORM

[Franz Schönhofer]

RADSAFErs,

I enjoyed this thread, because it reminds me on the good old times of 
RADSAFE with its lively discussions, with all the pros and  cons on 
scientific (!!!) topics ...... I enjoyed it especially because it - 
hopefully - ends the forwarding of messages of clearly mentally ill persons. 
I also see from the contributions the knowledge on those topics which had 
been rather new several decades ago. Nice to see the progress! Forgive me if 
I forward old fashioned opinions in the future (some might not be all to old 
fashioned.)

Franz

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- 
From: JPreisig at aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 10:28 PM
To: radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu
Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Treating Coal-fired plant waste as TENORM

Mike Brennan,

     I don't do stack measurements  professionally.  I expect such
measurements are done across the top of a  stack, at various distances 
across the
stack.  I believe there are also  places along the stack where sampling 
ports
can be opened and more sampling can  be done.  Various computer codes
(Airdose, CAP-88 etc.) can be gotten from  RSICC (Radiation Shielding Info 
Center)
at Oak Ridge.  See their  website.  Coal, Oil, Natural Gas etc. will
eventually diminish.  If  there are not enough Nuclear Fission plants, life 
will
not be good.
I enjoy your posts, Mike.

     Regards,   Joe Preisig


In a message dated 12/9/2014 1:16:15 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
Mike.Brennan at DOH.WA.GOV writes:

I've had  some classes on air sampling, and have been involved in
environmental air  sampling and radon for some years.  I admit that I am not 
highly
confident that sampling from the edge of a stack meters is truly
representative, especially concerning a noble gas.  I also admit to  having 
doubts as
to how well most dispersion models handle such a gas.   In any event,
pulling the contribution from a particular stack to outdoor  radon would be 
a
challenge, given the flux of radon coming out of the ground  (a flux that 
varies
nonlinearly both over time and across locations).   Knowing that it happens
is useful for pointing out the inconsistencies of the  anti-nuke side, but
should a coal-burning plant ever reach the point where  radon is the biggest
risk factor in its emissions, they would truly be "clean  coal".

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From:  radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu
[mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of  JPreisig at aol.com
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2014 5:07 PM
To:  radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu
Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Treating Coal-fired  plant waste as TENORM

Radsafe,

Ever hear of  a Pitot tube???  Find books on  Air Sampling and Analysis.
Man, this takes me back to my Air Sampling and  Analysis course with Ray
Manganelli and Jill Lipoti at Rutgers.  Can't even  remember what  the book
was called, but it was good reading.  Frank Haughey  made  me take Air
Sampling instead of Mathematical Physics.

EPA documents must be loaded with information (see  their  websites also)
on how to measure Radon and how to grab samples.   The  carbon absorber test
kits were around New Jersey Department of  Environmental  Protection.  The
Reading Prong (geologically  speaking) is right next to New  Jersey.  People
in Pennsylvania  still test for Radon in their homes and  need to.  You can
measure  stack effluents with a pitot tube, provided you  make the
measurements  correctly.  Search the internet, baby.  It is  all out  there.

Regards,   Joe Preisig

PS   Perhaps also check the New Jersey Department of Environmental
Protection  (Radiation Protection Programs) website and the archives there.
NJDEP RPP still has a Radon group, I think, and you could call or email 
them,
if needed.  NJDEP RPP was a nice place to work.  Some NJDEP RPP  folks  lurk
on Radsafe, I think.  Hi  Herb!!!!

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