[ RadSafe ] Treating Coal-fired plant waste as TENORM

JPreisig at aol.com JPreisig at aol.com
Tue Dec 9 15:28:10 CST 2014

Mike Brennan,
     I don't do stack measurements  professionally.  I expect such 
measurements are done across the top of a  stack, at various distances across the 
stack.  I believe there are also  places along the stack where sampling ports 
can be opened and more sampling can  be done.  Various computer codes 
(Airdose, CAP-88 etc.) can be gotten from  RSICC (Radiation Shielding Info Center) 
at Oak Ridge.  See their  website.  Coal, Oil, Natural Gas etc. will 
eventually diminish.  If  there are not enough Nuclear Fission plants, life will 
not be good.
I enjoy your posts, Mike.
     Regards,   Joe Preisig
In a message dated 12/9/2014 1:16:15 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
Mike.Brennan at DOH.WA.GOV writes:
I've had  some classes on air sampling, and have been involved in 
environmental air  sampling and radon for some years.  I admit that I am not highly  
confident that sampling from the edge of a stack meters is truly  
representative, especially concerning a noble gas.  I also admit to  having doubts as 
to how well most dispersion models handle such a gas.   In any event, 
pulling the contribution from a particular stack to outdoor  radon would be a 
challenge, given the flux of radon coming out of the ground  (a flux that varies 
nonlinearly both over time and across locations).   Knowing that it happens 
is useful for pointing out the inconsistencies of the  anti-nuke side, but 
should a coal-burning plant ever reach the point where  radon is the biggest 
risk factor in its emissions, they would truly be "clean  coal".

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Ever hear of  a Pitot tube???  Find books on  Air Sampling and Analysis.   
Man, this takes me back to my Air Sampling and  Analysis course with Ray  
Manganelli and Jill Lipoti at Rutgers.  Can't even  remember what  the book 
was called, but it was good reading.  Frank Haughey  made  me take Air 
Sampling instead of Mathematical Physics.

EPA documents must be loaded with information (see  their  websites also) 
on how to measure Radon and how to grab samples.   The  carbon absorber test 
kits were around New Jersey Department of  Environmental  Protection.  The 
Reading Prong (geologically  speaking) is right next to New  Jersey.  People 
in Pennsylvania  still test for Radon in their homes and  need to.  You can 
measure  stack effluents with a pitot tube, provided you  make the 
measurements  correctly.  Search the internet, baby.  It is  all out  there.

Regards,   Joe Preisig

PS   Perhaps also check the New Jersey Department of Environmental  
Protection  (Radiation Protection Programs) website and the archives there.    
NJDEP RPP still has a Radon group, I think, and you could call or email them,  
if needed.  NJDEP RPP was a nice place to work.  Some NJDEP RPP  folks  lurk 
on Radsafe, I think.  Hi  Herb!!!!

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