[ RadSafe ] Man pleads guilty in plot to build mobile death ray

Tue Jan 28 17:14:42 CST 2014

Curiously, the notion of conspiracy as a punishable offense in and of itself differs greatly between countries descended from English common law (US, UK, Canada, NZ, Australia, South Asia) and those descended from Roman civil law (Continental Europe, Latin America, former colonies thereof in Africa, East Asia).  

I will not attempt to resolve this centuries old difference in philosophy here, but it is fascinating how long this difference in view has existed.  Clearly both points of view have many proponents! 

If one wishes to conspire, Er muss Deutsch sprechen! 

Wiedersehen 

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> On Jan 28, 2014, at 4:44 PM, "Rees, Brian G" <brees at lanl.gov> wrote:
> 
> One thing for everyone to remember is that you're hearing about this from media reporting (or limited public releases).  Having had the misfortune to be very close to major-interest stories I can assure you that there's likely plenty of stuff you're NOT hearing, things you're hearing that aren't true, and everything in between.  Knowing the real story, there were times I wondered if the reporting I saw was about the same story! 
> 
> Brian Rees
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu [mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of Doug Aitken
> Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 5:34 PM
> To: The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) Mailing List
> Cc: PHILIP.KARAM at nypd.org
> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Man pleads guilty in plot to build mobile death ray
> 
> Even worse, there have been cases where agents of the government "push" individuals to progress with schemes that may have started as nothing more than letting off steam, but become "terrorist plots" (often with active participation of the government agents in acquisition of hardware to carry out the scheme), and then grab them up as "terrorists".
> And evidently, this form of "active entrapment" is within the "law"....
> 
> I feel there is a very fine line between encouraging and pushing by active participation and entrapment.
> Regards
> Doug
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu [mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of Franz Schönhofer
> Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 2:57 PM
> To: radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu
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> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Man pleads guilty in plot to build mobile death ray
> 
> Clayton, after having read quite a few of your posts I dare say, that you are one of the persons with common sense! (I hope that the positive valueing of a non-US-citizen does not harm your reputation....).
> 
> As someone else on RADSAFE pointed out already, to classify a thought (in this case of a sick brain, which never had the slightest chance to be put into practice because of natures laws) as a crime is just ridiculous. The NSA reminds me on George Orwells Novel 1984, in which a totalitarian state watches all of its inhabitants full time via screens in every room and outside. Even thoughts are classified as crimes. I would really recommend everybody to read this novel, which is also a classical highlight.
> 
> I would rather propose to test those two persons for paranoia and psychic problems.
> 
> I appreciate your sarcasm about "selling their idea to the US government". I have personal communcations, that similar has occurred after the establishment of the Homeland Security Office.
> 
> OK, NSA, now you can add more to my file!
> 
> Best wishes to RADSAFE!
> 
> Franz
> 
> 
> 
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> From: Clayton J Bradt
> Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 8:55 PM
> To: radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu
> Cc: PHILIP.KARAM at nypd.org
> Subject: [ RadSafe ] Man pleads guilty in plot to build mobile death ray
> 
> 
> 
> Conspiring to do something that is physically impossible, however
> reprehensible the intent, should not be a crime.  Neither building a remote
> on/off switch, nor an x-ray system, are  illegal acts, per se.  For that
> matter, designing and building a weapons system is perfectly legal and in
> fact is one of this country's leading industries.  Thousands of individuals
> work in private companies and government facilities creating the most
> abominable destructive devices and are unmolested by the FBI or US
> Attorneys.  Suppose these two clowns, after building their death ray,
> decided to sell it to the US government?  That would make them
> entrepreneurs, not terrorists.
> 
> Clayton J. Bradt
> Principal Radiophysicist
> NYS Dept. of Health
> 518-474-1993
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> Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 21:29:34 +0000
> From: "KARAM, PHILIP" <PHILIP.KARAM at nypd.org>
> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Man pleads guilty in plot to build mobile
> death ray
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> Intent to commit a crime has always been punishable as long as that intent
> was leading towards an illegal act. So, for example, saying "I ought to
> kill (fill in the blank)" is just spouting off; buying a rope, lead bricks,
> a body bag, and conducting surveillance on (fill in the blank) is against
> the law, even if you never actually use them.
> 
> Similarly, conspiring to commit an illegal act - putting together a team,
> developing an action plan, and taking concrete steps towards your nefarious
> goal - is illegal even if you are busted before committing the crime. In
> fact, this is usually lauded as good policing.
> 
> The question that this particular case raises is whether or not it's
> illegal to have a conspiracy that plots to do something that's physically
> impossible. In other words, should these jokers go to prison, to summer
> school for remedial physics, or should they be institutionalized?
> 
> Andy
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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> mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of Clayton J Bradt
> Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 4:23 PM
> To: radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu
> Subject: [ RadSafe ] Man pleads guilty in plot to build mobile death ray
> 
> 
> 
> It is frightening that thought crimes are punished in this country.  How
> did we come to this and how do we get out of it?
> 
> Clayton J. Bradt
> Principal Radiophysicist
> NYS Dept. of Health
> 518-474-1993
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