[ RadSafe ] Man pleads guilty in plot to build mobile death ray

Tue Jan 28 16:44:47 CST 2014

One thing for everyone to remember is that you're hearing about this from media reporting (or limited public releases).  Having had the misfortune to be very close to major-interest stories I can assure you that there's likely plenty of stuff you're NOT hearing, things you're hearing that aren't true, and everything in between.  Knowing the real story, there were times I wondered if the reporting I saw was about the same story! 

Brian Rees

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From: radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu [mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of Doug Aitken
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 5:34 PM
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Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Man pleads guilty in plot to build mobile death ray

Even worse, there have been cases where agents of the government "push" individuals to progress with schemes that may have started as nothing more than letting off steam, but become "terrorist plots" (often with active participation of the government agents in acquisition of hardware to carry out the scheme), and then grab them up as "terrorists".
And evidently, this form of "active entrapment" is within the "law"....

I feel there is a very fine line between encouraging and pushing by active participation and entrapment.
Regards
Doug
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From: radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu [mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of Franz Schönhofer
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 2:57 PM
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Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Man pleads guilty in plot to build mobile death ray

Clayton, after having read quite a few of your posts I dare say, that you are one of the persons with common sense! (I hope that the positive valueing of a non-US-citizen does not harm your reputation....).

As someone else on RADSAFE pointed out already, to classify a thought (in this case of a sick brain, which never had the slightest chance to be put into practice because of natures laws) as a crime is just ridiculous. The NSA reminds me on George Orwells Novel 1984, in which a totalitarian state watches all of its inhabitants full time via screens in every room and outside. Even thoughts are classified as crimes. I would really recommend everybody to read this novel, which is also a classical highlight.

I would rather propose to test those two persons for paranoia and psychic problems.

I appreciate your sarcasm about "selling their idea to the US government". I have personal communcations, that similar has occurred after the establishment of the Homeland Security Office.

OK, NSA, now you can add more to my file!

Best wishes to RADSAFE!

Franz

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From: Clayton J Bradt
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 8:55 PM
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Subject: [ RadSafe ] Man pleads guilty in plot to build mobile death ray

Conspiring to do something that is physically impossible, however
reprehensible the intent, should not be a crime.  Neither building a remote
on/off switch, nor an x-ray system, are  illegal acts, per se.  For that
matter, designing and building a weapons system is perfectly legal and in
fact is one of this country's leading industries.  Thousands of individuals
work in private companies and government facilities creating the most
abominable destructive devices and are unmolested by the FBI or US
Attorneys.  Suppose these two clowns, after building their death ray,
decided to sell it to the US government?  That would make them
entrepreneurs, not terrorists.

Clayton J. Bradt
Principal Radiophysicist
NYS Dept. of Health
518-474-1993
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Intent to commit a crime has always been punishable as long as that intent
was leading towards an illegal act. So, for example, saying "I ought to
kill (fill in the blank)" is just spouting off; buying a rope, lead bricks,
a body bag, and conducting surveillance on (fill in the blank) is against
the law, even if you never actually use them.

Similarly, conspiring to commit an illegal act - putting together a team,
developing an action plan, and taking concrete steps towards your nefarious
goal - is illegal even if you are busted before committing the crime. In
fact, this is usually lauded as good policing.

The question that this particular case raises is whether or not it's
illegal to have a conspiracy that plots to do something that's physically
impossible. In other words, should these jokers go to prison, to summer
school for remedial physics, or should they be institutionalized?

Andy

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mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of Clayton J Bradt
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 4:23 PM
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Subject: [ RadSafe ] Man pleads guilty in plot to build mobile death ray

It is frightening that thought crimes are punished in this country.  How
did we come to this and how do we get out of it?

Clayton J. Bradt
Principal Radiophysicist
NYS Dept. of Health
518-474-1993
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