[ RadSafe ] OT: Global Warming

Tue May 20 12:53:32 CDT 2014

I agree, but I believe the proof of man-made global was based on a 20 year
period.

On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 1:10 PM, KARAM, PHILIP <PHILIP.KARAM at nypd.org>wrote:

> Interesting - but, again, not all that meaningful from the perspective of
> really understanding what's happening with climate due to the brevity of
> the time span in question. To use a radiological analogy - how accurately
> can you characterize an environmental sample with only a few Bq of activity
> with 1 minute of counting time?
>
> Andy
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu [mailto:
> radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of Brian Riely
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2014 12:55 PM
> To: The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] OT: Global Warming
>
> According to numerous sources there has not been any global warming for
> approximately 18 yrs.
>
>
> On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:16 AM, KARAM, PHILIP <PHILIP.KARAM at nypd.org
> >wrote:
>
> > I know there's data for a short period of time. But even 30 years'
> > worth of data isn't going to answer questions that play out over
> > centuries or millennia or longer.
> >
> > At the moment the Earth appears to be warming - which it has been
> > doing more or less for about 10,000 years since the last glacial
> > retreat - but the last couple of million years have been abnormally
> > cold from the viewpoint of the history of the earth. So if the Earth
> > is warmer (or
> > colder) this year than it was last year can we make any claims about
> > what that means for a century or two from now? For that matter, if the
> > last decade - or two or three decades - has been warmer (or colder)
> > than the previous ones can we make any predictions about long-term
> climate change?
> > Not really, because we're not sure if we're stuck in a random (and
> > expected) fluctuation in climate or if it portends a longer-term trend.
> >  Thirty years of data - no matter how high-quality - simply isn't
> > enough to make any firm predictions.
> >
> > As one example - the Little Ice Age last a few centuries. Were that to
> > happen today we'd be desperately pumping CO2 into the atmosphere to
> > try to prevent glaciers from bulldozing New York and Chicago. But it
> > turned out to be a temporary fluctuation in earth's temperature.
> > Similarly, the Medieval Warm Period lasted for over 300 years - we'd
> > have called this a period of global warming - ironically ending with
> > the Little Ice Age. Again - 30 years of the highest-quality data
> > during either of these periods would have given us a completely
> > misleading view of the climate. And thirty years of high-quality data
> > today cannot tell us if we are inside of a temporary fluctuation (like
> > either of these two periods) or experiencing a long-term (millennia or
> longer) trend in temperature.
> >
> >
> > P. Andrew Karam, PhD, CHP
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> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu [mailto:
> > radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of JPreisig at aol.com
> > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2014 2:39 PM
> > To: radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu
> > Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] OT: Global Warming
> >
> > Radsafe,
> >
> >       High quality data in Earth Rotation/wobble  and Atmospheric
> > Angular Momentum exist since 1984.  See Goddard Space  Flight Center's
> VLBI Website.
> > Earth thermal data, maybe   also????  Plot the data and do data fitting
> and
> > see the results.  No  need to Cherry pick, Karam.
> >
> >      Joe Preisig.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 5/19/2014 10:46:54 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> > PHILIP.KARAM at nypd.org writes:
> >
> > The  problem is that we can't look at ANY data from just a few years -
> > even from an  entire decade - and make definitive statements about
> > what's going to happen  over the next century or longer. And we can't
> > really cherry-pick only those  data that support what we think (or
> > would like) to be true. If this trend  continues for the next 10-20
> > years then I'd be willing to believe it's more  than just a slight
> fluctuation.
> >
> > Andy
> >
> >
> > -----Original  Message-----
> > From: radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu
> > [mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of
> > JPreisig at aol.com
> > Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2014 2:34 PM
> > To:  radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu
> > Subject: [ RadSafe ] OT: Global  Warming
> >
> > Hey All,
> >
> > KISS (Keep It Simple  S....).
> >
> > Last year the ice volume at one of the  Earth poles  started to become
> > more icy.
> >
> >
> > When the Earth poles resolidify, less water is  available for the
> > Earth mid-latitudes and droughts occur.
> >
> > And when the ice  caps melt (1998???), water is  available in the
> > mid-latitudes and  droughts occur less.
> >
> >
> > Joe  Preisig
> >
> >
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