[ RadSafe ] OT: Global Warming

Brennan, Mike (DOH) Mike.Brennan at DOH.WA.GOV
Wed May 21 18:05:37 CDT 2014


They grow wine grapes in Washington now, and they didn't when I was a kid.

Humboldt squid used to come no farther north than California, and now they can be found in numbers at least along the entire Washington coast.  http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2009859494_apwahumboldtsquid1stldwritethru.html

They are farming in Greenland.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/arctic-harvest-global-warming-a-boon-for-greenland-s-farmers-a-434356.html

The Earth has been warmer, and the Earth has been colder, and yet it abides.  But shifts, and especially rapid shifts, disrupt the patterns that people use to get food, and that is seldom a good thing.  Wars are fought for less.

Summer is coming.


-----Original Message-----
From: radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu [mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of Theo Richel
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 1:55 PM
To: The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) MailingList
Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] OT: Global Warming

I object, the Summary for Policymakers is a bad start, since it is not a scientific but a political document. I'd say start with the IPCC-reports themselves and combine that with the report from the NON-Governmental International Panel on Climate Change (http://nipccreport.org/ ) .
Personally I have stopped wasting my time on the climate. Main reason:
no warming for 13-17 years despite a continuing increase of CO2 (but which did cause a greening of the planet according to NASA, since CO2 is plant food). And if you want to see how SCIENCE behaves in this field then check the adventures of Steven McIntyre (www.climateaudit.org ) and Anthony Watts (http://wattsupwiththat.com/) .
I am not a climate scientist (Just like Al Gore), but a science journalist. In the past 40 years I have seen science - or at least the environmental/health related parts of it -  change from a group of very modest people, always critical about their own work, and always afraid to say/claim something that was outside their expertise to  people who have lost any sight of the borders of their knowledge. No matter how specialized their original area of study was, you can ask them about other areas as well and they will give the politically correct answers, you can ask them how the future is going to be and they will tell you, because they KNOW! 
The science with regard to global warming is not settled. Yes it is true that CO2 in the atmosphere has a warming effect, yes it is true that CO2-concentrations are increasing, yes it is true that this is because we burn so much fossil fuels. That has long been known and is not controversial. The only real point of debate is climate sensitivity, how much will the earth warm. That simply is not known, but there is every reason to think that this will not be a problem. IE: The warming will ne very limited (it hasn't warmed for the past 13-15 years) and its effects will be for a large part beneficial. Many of these things are said in the larger IPCC report, but NOT in the Summary for Policy Makers. 
In the seventies and eighties I was an enthousiastic member of the environmental movement in the Netherlands. Then the fight against nuclear energy was most important.  My former friends now have policy positions in Greenpeace, WNF etc and very heavily influence the IPCC (google Donna Laframboise). To end on a positive note: every poll these days shows that people just do not worry about the climate anymore, the economy is much more important.
Science is still the only way to solve the problems of humanity, but not in its current politicized form.

Theo Richel

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From: radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu
[mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of S L Gawarecki
Sent: woensdag 21 mei 2014 9:40
To: RadSafe
Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] OT: Global Warming

I continue to be amused by the opinions on climate change by scientists who are not climate scientists or even earth scientists.  To understand the SCIENCE behind the conclusions about global warming, spend some time with the publications by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change at http://www.ipcc.ch/ .  The Summary for Policy Makers of the 2013 report is a good place to start at http://www.climatechange2013.org/images/report/WG1AR5_SPM_FINAL.pdf .

Regards,
*Susan Gawarecki*

ph: 865-494-0102
cell:  865-604-3724
SLGawarecki at gmail.com
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