[ RadSafe ] Reference for the word 'shake' ...and other sneaky Manhattan project words

Thu Feb 4 16:46:01 CST 2016

Joe Shonka,

     Gotta watch out for those stray neutrons.  Imagine a stray neutron
setting off a
device prematurely, and all that diffusion effort wasted....expensive too.

     Joe Preisig

On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 5:37 PM, Ed Waller <ed.waller at xplornet.com> wrote:

> Actually the citation for barn is here:
>
> https://www.orau.org/ptp/Library/barn.pdf
>
> I can reference this!
> Ed
>
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> From: radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu
> [mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of Franz Schönhofer
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> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Reference for the word 'shake' ...and other sneaky
> Manhattan project words
>
> When I was a student many, many, many decades ago the professor who taught
> us principles of radioactivity mentioned when research was done on cross
> sections someone mentioned the dimensions of 10E-24cm2 and some other
> scientist exclaimed "That is as big as a barn!" For such anecdotes there
> are
> usually no citations or sources known. "If this has been invented it was
> well invented." For me it is funny that *I still remember that though I
> cannot keep my own telephone number by heart*. If someone does not close a
> door behind him we use to say in German that the door is wide open like a
> barns door. Maybe some connection?
>
> Best regards,
>
> Franz
>
> 2016-02-04 22:46 GMT+01:00 Ed Waller <ed.waller at xplornet.com>:
>
> > All,
> >
> > Thanks for the suggestions thus far.
> >
> > Just to bound the problem, I know what a shake is; I know what a barn is.
> > I
> > sorta got all that knowledge when I did my PhD in nuclear engineering
> > at RPI and subsequent work in various effects from source terms that
> > happen on 'shake' timeframes.
> >
> > What I was asking was if anyone knew of a reference to these terms. I
> > realize shake refers to 'two shakes of a lamb's tail', but who said it
> > first? where is it documented?  Is it documented?  I am thinking there
> > must be some obscure declassified reference, or book or memoirs, etc
> > that can constitute a proper reference...I just cannot find it.  I
> > thought the collective history might point me in the right direction.
> >
> > With kind regards,
> > Ed
> >
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> > From: radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu
> > [mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of Winkler,
> > Paul
> > Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2016 4:30 PM
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> > Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Reference for the word 'shake' ...and other
> > sneaky Manhattan project words
> >
> > Try     http://www.lrri.org/hpinfo/b.html
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu
> > [mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of Ed Waller
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> > Subject: [ RadSafe ] Reference for the word 'shake' ...and other
> > sneaky Manhattan project words [*EXTERNAL*]
> >
> > All,
> >
> > As part of some writing I am doing, I am trying to find origins of
> > terms used in the nuclear field that are somewhat obscure.
> >
> > I have a reference for 'barn' (Note on the origin of the term "barn",
> > Holloway and Baker, LAMS-623, 1947)
> > [aside: Also, I have found some anecdotal evidence for a millibarm
> > being a 'skilodge' and a microbarn being an 'outhouse', but no
> > reference. I have also seen a reference to 1E-48 cm2 being a 'shed',
> > but again no reference.]
> >
> > However, some other terms, such as 'shake', I am having a harder time
> > finding a proper reference. Google has revealed lots of usage, and
> > some secondary and tertiary referencing, but I cannot believe there is
> > not a primary reference somewhere for this, and other terms like this.
> >
> > If anyone could help, I would be most appreciative.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Ed
> >
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