[ RadSafe ] RadSafe Digest, Vol 2359, Issue 1
Mark Miller
marklmiller20 at gmail.com
Sun Dec 31 17:00:59 CST 2017
Re: UK: Renewables - Helbig is just bringing the McPherson nonsense to
our attention, NOT endorsing it! Right, Roger?
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> 1. *** SPAM *** Re: UK: Renewables a better option than nuclear
> power: but nuclear is needed for maintaining nuclear weapons
> (Franz Sch?nhofer)
> 2. Re: UK: Renewables a better option than nuclear power: but
> nuclear is needed for maintaining nuclear weapons
> (Dr. Andreas Kronenberg)
> 3. Re: UK: Renewables a better option than nuclear power: but
> nuclear is needed for maintaining nuclear weapons (John R Johnson)
> 4. Re: UK: Renewables a better option than nuclear power: but
> nuclear is needed for maintaining nuclear weapons (Delvan Neville)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2017 20:39:45 +0100
> From: Franz Sch?nhofer <franz.schoenhofer at chello.at>
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> Subject: [ RadSafe ] *** SPAM *** Re: UK: Renewables a better option
> than nuclear power: but nuclear is needed for maintaining
> nuclear
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> Content preview: Yes, of course the ultimate expert is right!!! Close to
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2017 23:17:28 +0100
> From: "Dr. Andreas Kronenberg" <kronenberg at kernchemie.de>
> To: "'The International Radiation Protection \(Health Physics\)
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> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] UK: Renewables a better option than nuclear
> power: but nuclear is needed for maintaining nuclear weapons
> Message-ID: <015101d381bb$fbbad7f0$f33087d0$@kernchemie.de>
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>
> God damn, I thought this is a serious list of experts in the field, not a
> blog for anti-atom nonsense. Please delete me from this list. I don't need
> such stupid emails.
>
> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: RadSafe [mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] Im Auftrag von
> Roger Helbig
> Gesendet: Samstag, 30. Dezember 2017 15:00
> An: RADSAFE <radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu>
> Betreff: [ RadSafe ] UK: Renewables a better option than nuclear power:
> but nuclear is needed for maintaining nuclear weapons
>
> Another false claim by the anti-nuclear power campaigners.
>
> https://climatenewsnetwork.net/cheap-renewables-undercut-nuclear-power/
>
> Roger Helbig
>
> UK: Renewables a better option than nuclear power: but nuclear is needed
> for maintaining nuclear weapons
>
> by Christina MacPherson
>
> Cheap renewables undercut nuclear power, The technology advances and
> plunging costs of cheap renewables make base load nuclear power redundant.
> Climate News Network, by Paul Brown, LONDON, 29 December,
> 2017 ".........Completion doubts
>
> Even the former UK energy secretary Sir Edward Davey, who signed off on
> the Hinkley Point deal, said ?the economics have clearly gone away.? He
> doubted that the building would ever be completed, he told Greenpeace in an
> interview.
>
> All the other UK nuclear projects are still at various stages of planning,
> and how any of them will be paid for is yet to be worked out. It is already
> clear that none can be financed without government subsidy.
>
> An important political development in 2017 was that for the first time
> both the US and the UK admitted that their support for the nuclear industry
> is linked to the need to maintain their military capability in nuclear
> submarines and personnel. This is key, because both powers have previously
> claimed that there is no link between civil and military nuclear industries.
>
> Even before their admission it was already clear that the big economies
> which have no nuclear weapons, like Germany, can see no point in having a
> civil nuclear industry.
>
> Export drive
>
> That does not stop smaller countries, some without any nuclear power
> stations at all at present, signing agreements with the Russian state-owned
> company Rosatom. In what many see as a Russian policy to extend its
> international influence, Rosatom already says it is building reactors in
> Belarus, China, India, Bangladesh, Hungary, Turkey, Finland and Iran, and
> is seeking to expand, with tenders in for 23 other reactors abroad.
>
> These include Sudan, where the current president is wanted for war crimes.
> Whether all the plans will come to fruition remains doubtful.
> https://climatenewsnetwork.net/cheap-renewables-undercut-nuclear-power/
>
> Christina MacPherson | December 30, 2017 at 9:11 am | Categories:
> politics, politics international, UK | URL: https://wp.me/phgse-yOP
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2017 14:30:29 -0800
> From: John R Johnson <idiasjrj at gmail.com>
> To: "The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) Mailing
> List" <radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu>
> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] UK: Renewables a better option than nuclear
> power: but nuclear is needed for maintaining nuclear weapons
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> Andreas
>
> I have sometimes had the same thought, but there are some none Christrina
> scientists on this list that makes it worth while.
>
> John
> > On Dec 30, 2017, at 2:17 PM, Dr. Andreas Kronenberg <
> kronenberg at kernchemie.de> wrote:
> >
> > God damn, I thought this is a serious list of experts in the field, not
> a blog for anti-atom nonsense. Please delete me from this list. I don't
> need such stupid emails.
> >
> > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: RadSafe [mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] Im Auftrag
> von Roger Helbig
> > Gesendet: Samstag, 30. Dezember 2017 15:00
> > An: RADSAFE <radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu>
> > Betreff: [ RadSafe ] UK: Renewables a better option than nuclear power:
> but nuclear is needed for maintaining nuclear weapons
> >
> > Another false claim by the anti-nuclear power campaigners.
> >
> > https://climatenewsnetwork.net/cheap-renewables-undercut-nuclear-power/
> >
> > Roger Helbig
> >
> > UK: Renewables a better option than nuclear power: but nuclear is needed
> for maintaining nuclear weapons
> >
> > by Christina MacPherson
> >
> > Cheap renewables undercut nuclear power, The technology advances and
> plunging costs of cheap renewables make base load nuclear power redundant.
> Climate News Network, by Paul Brown, LONDON, 29 December,
> > 2017 ".........Completion doubts
> >
> > Even the former UK energy secretary Sir Edward Davey, who signed off on
> the Hinkley Point deal, said ?the economics have clearly gone away.? He
> doubted that the building would ever be completed, he told Greenpeace in an
> interview.
> >
> > All the other UK nuclear projects are still at various stages of
> planning, and how any of them will be paid for is yet to be worked out. It
> is already clear that none can be financed without government subsidy.
> >
> > An important political development in 2017 was that for the first time
> both the US and the UK admitted that their support for the nuclear industry
> is linked to the need to maintain their military capability in nuclear
> submarines and personnel. This is key, because both powers have previously
> claimed that there is no link between civil and military nuclear industries.
> >
> > Even before their admission it was already clear that the big economies
> which have no nuclear weapons, like Germany, can see no point in having a
> civil nuclear industry.
> >
> > Export drive
> >
> > That does not stop smaller countries, some without any nuclear power
> stations at all at present, signing agreements with the Russian state-owned
> company Rosatom. In what many see as a Russian policy to extend its
> international influence, Rosatom already says it is building reactors in
> Belarus, China, India, Bangladesh, Hungary, Turkey, Finland and Iran, and
> is seeking to expand, with tenders in for 23 other reactors abroad.
> >
> > These include Sudan, where the current president is wanted for war
> crimes. Whether all the plans will come to fruition remains doubtful.
> > https://climatenewsnetwork.net/cheap-renewables-undercut-nuclear-power/
> >
> > Christina MacPherson | December 30, 2017 at 9:11 am | Categories:
> > politics, politics international, UK | URL: https://wp.me/phgse-yOP
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2017 02:08:11 +0000
> From: Delvan Neville <dnevill at gmail.com>
> To: "The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) Mailing
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> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] UK: Renewables a better option than nuclear
> power: but nuclear is needed for maintaining nuclear weapons
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> These sorts of emails are just cluttering up my inbox and making me
> question where I should stay subscribed. Would you mind treating this list
> as a place for experts to discuss radiation safety? There are millions of
> misleading, political or inflammatory blogs out there, there's no reason to
> keep using this list as a repository for them.
>
> On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 6:01 AM Roger Helbig <rwhelbig at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Another false claim by the anti-nuclear power campaigners.
> >
> > https://climatenewsnetwork.net/cheap-renewables-undercut-nuclear-power/
> >
> > Roger Helbig
> >
> > UK: Renewables a better option than nuclear power: but nuclear is
> > needed for maintaining nuclear weapons
> >
> > by Christina MacPherson
> >
> > Cheap renewables undercut nuclear power, The technology advances and
> > plunging costs of cheap renewables make base load nuclear power
> > redundant. Climate News Network, by Paul Brown, LONDON, 29 December,
> > 2017 ".........Completion doubts
> >
> > Even the former UK energy secretary Sir Edward Davey, who signed off
> > on the Hinkley Point deal, said ?the economics have clearly gone
> > away.? He doubted that the building would ever be completed, he told
> > Greenpeace in an interview.
> >
> > All the other UK nuclear projects are still at various stages of
> > planning, and how any of them will be paid for is yet to be worked
> > out. It is already clear that none can be financed without government
> > subsidy.
> >
> > An important political development in 2017 was that for the first time
> > both the US and the UK admitted that their support for the nuclear
> > industry is linked to the need to maintain their military capability
> > in nuclear submarines and personnel. This is key, because both powers
> > have previously claimed that there is no link between civil and
> > military nuclear industries.
> >
> > Even before their admission it was already clear that the big
> > economies which have no nuclear weapons, like Germany, can see no
> > point in having a civil nuclear industry.
> >
> > Export drive
> >
> > That does not stop smaller countries, some without any nuclear power
> > stations at all at present, signing agreements with the Russian
> > state-owned company Rosatom. In what many see as a Russian policy to
> > extend its international influence, Rosatom already says it is
> > building reactors in Belarus, China, India, Bangladesh, Hungary,
> > Turkey, Finland and Iran, and is seeking to expand, with tenders in
> > for 23 other reactors abroad.
> >
> > These include Sudan, where the current president is wanted for war
> > crimes. Whether all the plans will come to fruition remains doubtful.
> > https://climatenewsnetwork.net/cheap-renewables-undercut-nuclear-power/
> >
> > Christina MacPherson | December 30, 2017 at 9:11 am | Categories:
> > politics, politics international, UK | URL: https://wp.me/phgse-yOP
> > _______________________________________________
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