[ RadSafe ] The urgency to revive the radsafe list

Wed Sep 12 12:25:24 CDT 2018

Friends,
I  do not regret starting this discussion. I did not know our list which
was vibrant for several years is much less so; in fact it looks like, it is
on oxygen in the ICU! Since my messages were bouncing because of some
software bug which could not get fixed, I opted out of the list for the
past few years.
More than the details of the interaction of ionizing radiation with living
matter, we must realize that young professionals must get the correct
information. My occasional forays in to ANS website were useful. The
attempt of politically conscious people to encourage the development of
best scientific foundation for radiation protection by "legislation" or
"petitioning"  looked interesting.

Dr Bernard Cohen (Late) with whom I had several interesting interactions
wrote a delightful paper which, among other matters, quantified the  "cost
to save a life from radiation exposure" many decades ago. I am very happy
to see Mr James Conca of "The Forbes"  fame religiously taking the same
route. I recall during mid 60s one of my colleagues tried to calculate  a
Rupees per roentgen value!  The abysmally low value led to  derisive
comments that with that sort of value we can operate many radiation
facilities without adequate shielding!

A few years later, another colleague tried to work out some unit such as
Roentgen Equivalent Chemical. There  was no follow up on such concepts. I
worked out with reasonable amount of assurance(!!) that a man smoking 20
cigarettes a day  is risk wise exposed to 50 rem per year. I also  showed
in some weird manner  that if the atmospheric tests continued at the same
rate at their peak in 1963, the dose contribution to public will be equal
to the normal operation of  a few hundred PHWRs for  thousands of
years PLease don't ask me the logic now. I was very pleased to see that the
then Minister of Atomic Energy kept a small book in his pocket and it
contained some of these pearls of wisdom!

I was very pleased to get a copy of  Dr Antonne Brook's book titled "Low
Dose radiation" ( You may recall that he competently summarized the DOE
Low Dose Radiation research programme; I have been interacting with Tony
when the book was in draft stage).
I know that by this note I have already irritated a few no-nonsense,
serious radiation protection  specialists!  An intense effort will show
that some of these concepts  are useful in public debates

I request the earlier contributors of the list to say "Hi".

With warm regards
Parthasarathy

On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 9:22 PM McClung, Danny <Danny.McClung2 at va.gov>
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> To Henry Rose:  LIKE!  😊
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> I agree with John Johnson.  RADSAFE should return to glory.  How?
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> Perhaps the moderator and several interested parties should get together
> for a discussion on the future of the RADSAFE listserv.  Some type of
> modernization could perhaps be useful.  I would gladly participate in the
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> Danny K. McClung, BS, RRPT, Health Physicist
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> From: RadSafe [mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of
> Rose, Boyd H (Henry)
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> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [ RadSafe ] Why I am not receiving messages
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> >Probably off topic to radsafe list discussions, but Facebook model with
> quick dumb "Like" and "Unlike" buttons and LinkedIn groups have killed
> meaningful intelligence discussion, conversation and debate.
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> >Plain text radsafe does not have slightest chance against the gimmicks
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> >LinkedIn and (140 or 280 Character) Twitter,
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> >Call me nostalgic or old fashioned or what have you,
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> >Thanks for letting me vent.
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> Henry "Liked" this post. ^
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> And, ok, you are nostalgic or old fashioned or what have you! ;-}
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> From: RadSafe [mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of
> Ed Tabai
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> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 8:49 PM
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> To: The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) Mailing List <
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> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Why I am not receiving messages
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> On Mon, Sep 10, 2018, 7:53 AM Sander Perle <sandyfl at cox.net<mailto:
> sandyfl at cox.net>> wrote:
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> > Dear Parthasarathy,
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> > The list has been extremely “inactive” for quite some time. Reasons
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> > Regards,
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> > Sandy
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> Probably off topic to radsafe list discussions, but Facebook model with
> quick dumb "Like" and "Unlike" buttons and LinkedIn groups have killed
> meaningful intelligence discussion, conversation and debate.
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> Plain text radsafe does not have slightest chance against the gimmicks and
> bells and whistles and graphics of popular social media, facebook, LinkedIn
> and (140 or 280 Character) Twitter,
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> Call me nostalgic or old fashioned or what have you,
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> Thanks for letting me vent.
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