[ RadSafe ] The urgency to revive the radsafe list
John R Johnson
idiasjrj at gmail.com
Wed Sep 12 12:29:49 CDT 2018
Hi
John
> On Sep 12, 2018, at 10:25 AM, Parthasarathy K S <ksparth at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Friends,
> I do not regret starting this discussion. I did not know our list which
> was vibrant for several years is much less so; in fact it looks like, it is
> on oxygen in the ICU! Since my messages were bouncing because of some
> software bug which could not get fixed, I opted out of the list for the
> past few years.
> More than the details of the interaction of ionizing radiation with living
> matter, we must realize that young professionals must get the correct
> information. My occasional forays in to ANS website were useful. The
> attempt of politically conscious people to encourage the development of
> best scientific foundation for radiation protection by "legislation" or
> "petitioning" looked interesting.
>
> Dr Bernard Cohen (Late) with whom I had several interesting interactions
> wrote a delightful paper which, among other matters, quantified the "cost
> to save a life from radiation exposure" many decades ago. I am very happy
> to see Mr James Conca of "The Forbes" fame religiously taking the same
> route. I recall during mid 60s one of my colleagues tried to calculate a
> Rupees per roentgen value! The abysmally low value led to derisive
> comments that with that sort of value we can operate many radiation
> facilities without adequate shielding!
>
> A few years later, another colleague tried to work out some unit such as
> Roentgen Equivalent Chemical. There was no follow up on such concepts. I
> worked out with reasonable amount of assurance(!!) that a man smoking 20
> cigarettes a day is risk wise exposed to 50 rem per year. I also showed
> in some weird manner that if the atmospheric tests continued at the same
> rate at their peak in 1963, the dose contribution to public will be equal
> to the normal operation of a few hundred PHWRs for thousands of
> years PLease don't ask me the logic now. I was very pleased to see that the
> then Minister of Atomic Energy kept a small book in his pocket and it
> contained some of these pearls of wisdom!
>
> I was very pleased to get a copy of Dr Antonne Brook's book titled "Low
> Dose radiation" ( You may recall that he competently summarized the DOE
> Low Dose Radiation research programme; I have been interacting with Tony
> when the book was in draft stage).
> I know that by this note I have already irritated a few no-nonsense,
> serious radiation protection specialists! An intense effort will show
> that some of these concepts are useful in public debates
>
> I request the earlier contributors of the list to say "Hi".
>
> With warm regards
> Parthasarathy
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 9:22 PM McClung, Danny <Danny.McClung2 at va.gov>
> wrote:
>
>> To Henry Rose: LIKE! 😊
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>> I agree with John Johnson. RADSAFE should return to glory. How?
>>
>>
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>> Perhaps the moderator and several interested parties should get together
>> for a discussion on the future of the RADSAFE listserv. Some type of
>> modernization could perhaps be useful. I would gladly participate in the
>> effort.
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>>
>> Danny K. McClung, BS, RRPT, Health Physicist
>>
>> Radiological Consultant for Post Deployment Health Service
>>
>> VHA Office of Patient Care Services (10P4Q)
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>> Member, VHA National Radiation Safety Committee
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>> Member, DoD JPC-7, Radiation Health Effects Research Program
>>
>> e-mail: danny.mcclung2 at va.gov; Telephone: 202-527-2323
>>
>> http://www.publichealth.va.gov/exposures/radiation/index.asp
>>
>> “I CARE”, Integrity-Commitment-Advocacy-Respect-Excellence
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>> "The principle on which this country was founded and by which it has
>> always been governed is that Americanism is a matter of mind and heart;
>> Americanism is not, and never was, a matter of race or ancestry."
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>> - President Franklin Delano Roosevelt
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: RadSafe [mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of
>> Rose, Boyd H (Henry)
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 10:36 AM
>> To: The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) Mailing List <
>> radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu>
>> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [ RadSafe ] Why I am not receiving messages
>>
>>
>>
>>> Probably off topic to radsafe list discussions, but Facebook model with
>> quick dumb "Like" and "Unlike" buttons and LinkedIn groups have killed
>> meaningful intelligence discussion, conversation and debate.
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>>
>>> Plain text radsafe does not have slightest chance against the gimmicks
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>>> and bells and whistles and graphics of popular social media, facebook,
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>>> LinkedIn and (140 or 280 Character) Twitter,
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>>> Call me nostalgic or old fashioned or what have you,
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>>> Thanks for letting me vent.
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>> Henry "Liked" this post. ^
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>> And, ok, you are nostalgic or old fashioned or what have you! ;-}
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>> Henry
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>> Boyd H. Rose, CIH, CHMM, EI
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>> -----Original Message-----
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>> From: RadSafe [mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of
>> Ed Tabai
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>> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 8:49 PM
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>> To: The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) Mailing List <
>> radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu<mailto:radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu>>
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>> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Why I am not receiving messages
>>
>>
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>> On Mon, Sep 10, 2018, 7:53 AM Sander Perle <sandyfl at cox.net<mailto:
>> sandyfl at cox.net>> wrote:
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>>
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>>> Dear Parthasarathy,
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>>> The list has been extremely “inactive” for quite some time. Reasons
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>>> unknown,
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>>> Regards,
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>>> Sandy
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>>> Retired, Consultant
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>> Probably off topic to radsafe list discussions, but Facebook model with
>> quick dumb "Like" and "Unlike" buttons and LinkedIn groups have killed
>> meaningful intelligence discussion, conversation and debate.
>>
>>
>>
>> Plain text radsafe does not have slightest chance against the gimmicks and
>> bells and whistles and graphics of popular social media, facebook, LinkedIn
>> and (140 or 280 Character) Twitter,
>>
>>
>>
>> Call me nostalgic or old fashioned or what have you,
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks for letting me vent.
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