[ RadSafe ] The urgency to revive the radsafe list

Dan McCarn hotgreenchile at gmail.com
Wed Sep 12 13:37:20 CDT 2018 

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That’s Dr Janes Conca and his fame to me was as a geochemist at Los Alamos Labs. I used his expertise during the peer-review of the Yucca Mountain Site Characterization Report in 1999. 

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> On Sep 12, 2018, at 11:29, John R Johnson <idiasjrj at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi
> 
> John
>> On Sep 12, 2018, at 10:25 AM, Parthasarathy K S <ksparth at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Friends,
>> I  do not regret starting this discussion. I did not know our list which
>> was vibrant for several years is much less so; in fact it looks like, it is
>> on oxygen in the ICU! Since my messages were bouncing because of some
>> software bug which could not get fixed, I opted out of the list for the
>> past few years.
>> More than the details of the interaction of ionizing radiation with living
>> matter, we must realize that young professionals must get the correct
>> information. My occasional forays in to ANS website were useful. The
>> attempt of politically conscious people to encourage the development of
>> best scientific foundation for radiation protection by "legislation" or
>> "petitioning"  looked interesting.
>> 
>> Dr Bernard Cohen (Late) with whom I had several interesting interactions
>> wrote a delightful paper which, among other matters, quantified the  "cost
>> to save a life from radiation exposure" many decades ago. I am very happy
>> to see Mr James Conca of "The Forbes"  fame religiously taking the same
>> route. I recall during mid 60s one of my colleagues tried to calculate  a
>> Rupees per roentgen value!  The abysmally low value led to  derisive
>> comments that with that sort of value we can operate many radiation
>> facilities without adequate shielding!
>> 
>> A few years later, another colleague tried to work out some unit such as
>> Roentgen Equivalent Chemical. There  was no follow up on such concepts. I
>> worked out with reasonable amount of assurance(!!) that a man smoking 20
>> cigarettes a day  is risk wise exposed to 50 rem per year. I also  showed
>> in some weird manner  that if the atmospheric tests continued at the same
>> rate at their peak in 1963, the dose contribution to public will be equal
>> to the normal operation of  a few hundred PHWRs for  thousands of
>> years PLease don't ask me the logic now. I was very pleased to see that the
>> then Minister of Atomic Energy kept a small book in his pocket and it
>> contained some of these pearls of wisdom!
>> 
>> I was very pleased to get a copy of  Dr Antonne Brook's book titled "Low
>> Dose radiation" ( You may recall that he competently summarized the DOE
>> Low Dose Radiation research programme; I have been interacting with Tony
>> when the book was in draft stage).
>> I know that by this note I have already irritated a few no-nonsense,
>> serious radiation protection  specialists!  An intense effort will show
>> that some of these concepts  are useful in public debates
>> 
>> I request the earlier contributors of the list to say "Hi".
>> 
>> With warm regards
>> Parthasarathy
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 9:22 PM McClung, Danny <Danny.McClung2 at va.gov>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> To Henry Rose:  LIKE!  😊
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I agree with John Johnson.  RADSAFE should return to glory.  How?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Perhaps the moderator and several interested parties should get together
>>> for a discussion on the future of the RADSAFE listserv.  Some type of
>>> modernization could perhaps be useful.  I would gladly participate in the
>>> effort.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Danny K. McClung, BS, RRPT, Health Physicist
>>> 
>>> Radiological Consultant for Post Deployment Health Service
>>> 
>>> VHA Office of Patient Care Services (10P4Q)
>>> 
>>> Member, VHA National Radiation Safety Committee
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> e-mail:  danny.mcclung2 at va.gov;  Telephone: 202-527-2323
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> “I CARE”, Integrity-Commitment-Advocacy-Respect-Excellence
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> "The principle on which this country was founded and by which it has
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>>> 
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>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: RadSafe [mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of
>>> Rose, Boyd H (Henry)
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 10:36 AM
>>> To: The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) Mailing List <
>>> radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu>
>>> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [ RadSafe ] Why I am not receiving messages
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Probably off topic to radsafe list discussions, but Facebook model with
>>> quick dumb "Like" and "Unlike" buttons and LinkedIn groups have killed
>>> meaningful intelligence discussion, conversation and debate.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Plain text radsafe does not have slightest chance against the gimmicks
>>> 
>>>> and bells and whistles and graphics of popular social media, facebook,
>>> 
>>>> LinkedIn and (140 or 280 Character) Twitter,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Call me nostalgic or old fashioned or what have you,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Thanks for letting me vent.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Henry "Liked" this post. ^
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> And, ok, you are nostalgic or old fashioned or what have you! ;-}
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Henry
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Boyd H. Rose, CIH, CHMM, EI
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>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> 
>>> From: RadSafe [mailto:radsafe-bounces at health.phys.iit.edu] On Behalf Of
>>> Ed Tabai
>>> 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 8:49 PM
>>> 
>>> To: The International Radiation Protection (Health Physics) Mailing List <
>>> radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu<mailto:radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu>>
>>> 
>>> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Why I am not receiving messages
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Sep 10, 2018, 7:53 AM Sander Perle <sandyfl at cox.net<mailto:
>>> sandyfl at cox.net>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Dear Parthasarathy,
>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>>> The list has been extremely “inactive” for quite some time. Reasons
>>> 
>>>> unknown,
>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Sandy
>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Retired, Consultant
>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Probably off topic to radsafe list discussions, but Facebook model with
>>> quick dumb "Like" and "Unlike" buttons and LinkedIn groups have killed
>>> meaningful intelligence discussion, conversation and debate.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Plain text radsafe does not have slightest chance against the gimmicks and
>>> bells and whistles and graphics of popular social media, facebook, LinkedIn
>>> and (140 or 280 Character) Twitter,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Call me nostalgic or old fashioned or what have you,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks for letting me vent.
>>> 
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