Using safe procedures was not my point. In chemistry labs and physics labs for that matter, the safe procedures are already developed and the students just have to follow them. In the real world, the hazards are not defined by your boss, as the scientist or the engineer, one has to look at the task determine all the potential hazards whether they be electrical, trip and fall, criticality or radiological (etc.) and apply the appropriate controls. You would be surprised how frequently this process is misapplied. In my reviews of many resume`s and transcripts I have yet to see an engineering student or science student (other than fire protection and safety engineers) who has taken a single course in safety.
Dan Burnfield, CHP PE
Defense Nuclear Facilities Safety Board
625 Indiana Ave, NW Ste. 700
Washington, DC 20004
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>>> "ruth_weiner" <ruth_weiner@email.msn.com> 01/03/01 12:36PM >>>
Every chemistry lab I ever taught, and all those I knew about, taught safe
procedures and emphasized safety. One doesn't do this only because it is a
good idea, but because any student who is injured or otherwise harmed in the
lab, even through his or her own carelessness, is likely to sue the school.
Ruth Weiner
ruth_weiner@msn.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Burnfield <Danb@DNFSB.GOV>
To: Multiple recipients of list <radsafe@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu>
Date: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 9:38 AM
Subject: Re: Reaching APASE and people like them
>I think it is a shame that most engineering and science curriculums do not
require a single course in safety whether it be everyday hazards or the
hazards we possibly experience from exposures to radiation or chemicals.
>
>Dan Burnfield, CHP PE
>
>Defense Nuclear Facilities Safety Board
>625 Indiana Ave, NW Ste. 700
>Washington, DC 20004
>
>Tel: 202.694.7113
>Fax: 202.208.6518
>Email danb@dnfsb.gov
>
>>>> Bernard L Cohen <blc+@pitt.edu> 01/03/01 11:31AM >>>
>
>> >What were the qualification s of her teachers? In my decades of
>teaching I
>> >saw, believe me, lots of crummy students and fair amount of >crummy
>> >science teaching.
>
> --In most (if not all) U.S. universities, a person can be an
>excellent student and get a Ph.D. in Physics or in Chemistry, and not
>learn anything about health effects of radiation. In fact most such people
>get their principal education on that from newspapers and magazines.
>
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