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Re: birth defects in the children of Gulf War Vets [FW] -Reply
we find DU detritus on almost all of the weapons test sites (firing ranges,
etc). It has been used in armor-piercing warheads since the 1950s and was
probably used in the Korean war and in Vietnam. Can any veterans comment on
this?
Ruth Weiner
ruth_weiner@msn.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Lorraine Marceau-Day <day@lsu.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <radsafe@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu>
Date: Thursday, February 01, 2001 1:00 PM
Subject: Re: birth defects in the children of Gulf War Vets [FW] -Reply
>
>Retrospective studies such as looking exclusively at an affected population
>are inherently biased. It is like going to Sloan-Kettering and visiting
>the breast cancer patients to conclude that being a woman causes breast
>cancer. This is a classical type I I statistical error.
>
>The research groups are difficult to access:
>
> 1. vets who served
> 2. vets who were immunized as group 1 but were not exposed to DU
>(i.e. perhaps they were in Saudi the whole time, or served on a ship)
> 3. vets who were prepped to go / but did not make the trip
>
>The male/female susceptibility is a separate issue. There are so many
>iterations to the scenario, that DU has to be the only thing that was
>different if we want to make valid comparisons. This makes the groups
>smaller than one would wish for statistically-based conclustions.
>
>Just a couple of thoughts,
>
>Lorraine Day PhD
>day@lsu.edu
>
>
>
>
>"Thomas J Savin " <tjsav@lycos.com>@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu on 02/01/2001
>12:08:54 PM
>
>Please respond to radsafe@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu
>
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>To: Multiple recipients of list <radsafe@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu>
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>Subject: Re: birth defects in the children of Gulf War Vets [FW] -Reply
>
>
>Scott and all,
>
>You are correct, interviews (Or studies?) like this by their very nature
>can have no valid outcomes Especially looking into DU:
>
>1. The majority of Gulf War vets are males - For there part, the millions
>of sperm that are released in each mating attempt. The chances of an
>unhealthy sperm fertilizing an egg is rare - usually the healthiest win.
>
>2. There would have to be four groups of populations to make any sense:
>male vets, female vets, male non vets, and female non vets. These would
>have to be compared. The survey is not looking at the control groups
>
>3. Other problems - A. the amount of reporting individuals may be biased to
>those who read the paper -therefore possibly under reported or over
>reported (special interest groups "becoming gulf war vets")
>
>4. You know I think I'll stop here - If he really wanted to get a great
>story - he should be looking at asking Saadam's soldiers for information -
>yeah - now that WOULD be a story. You think they might jump at the
>chance???
>
>Thanks Melissa for all you've done. Tom
>
>Tom Savin
>
>On Thu, 1 Feb 2001 10:42:48
> Scott Siebert wrote:
>>Can all of us Gulf War vets whose children DO NOT have birth defects
>>also send a message? Or are they not interested in the multitudes that
>>do not prove their point???
>>
>>Scott Siebert
>>Internal Dosimetry
>>Mound, BWXT of Ohio
>>
>>>>> "Franta, Jaroslav" <frantaj@aecl.ca> 02/01/01 11:31am >>>
>>Although DU is not mentioned specifically in this message, it has
>>appeared
>>in this context in the past and will no doubt feature prominently in the
>>resulting media report...
>>Jaro
>>frantaj@aecl.ca
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Betty Mekdeci [mailto:abdc@birthdefects.org]
>>Sent: Tuesday January 30, 2001 10:54 AM
>>To: birthdefectnews@topica.com
>>Subject: Special Alert - January 30, 2001
>>
>>Birth Defect Research for Children
>>
>>Birth Defect News
>>Birth Defect Research for Children
>>Special Alert - January 30, 2001
>>***Attention Gulf War Veterans***
>>Anton Antonowicz, a chief feature writer with the Mirror, Britain's
>>second
>>largest daily newspaper is working on a series about birth defects in the
>>children of Gulf War Veterans. The Mirror reaches 8 million plus readers
>>and is syndicated worldwide. Mr. Antonowicz would like to interview
>>Gulf
>>War veteran families in the U.S. who believe that their children's birth
>>defects may be related to exposures during their service. He will be
>>working with award winning photographer, Mike Moore on the story. Mr.
>>Antonowitz is a former Foreign Writer of the Year and both he and Mr.
>>Moore
>>are Amnesty International Press Award Winners.
>>If you are interested in talking with Mr. Antonowicz, please send an
>>e-mail
>>to betty@birthdefects.org as soon as possible. Include a description of
>>your child's birth defects and both daytime and evening phone numbers.
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