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Re: Breast Cancer, radon, junk science.



Hello Dolly! the cloned sheep!
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Tom Savin

On Sun, 25 Feb 2001 12:49:33  
 Ted de Castro wrote:
>This continual pointing to "the world is flat" notions of the past that
>were later proven wrong as the template still followed by modern science
>just because they are not embracing a particular pet notion is an insult
>to all modern scientists.
>
>We have learned from those days - indeed we have progressed from those
>days because we have learned.
>
>Scientists are some of the most self questioning and open minded people
>around.
>
>Just because they don't suddenly embrace a declarative position or
>instantly turn all attention to a mind wandering "what if", does NOT
>indicate closed mindedness.
>
>The scientific method was embraced to avoid these mistakes of the past. 
>Conclusions are not drawn from a few random observations.  Today's'
>scientist asked to see the evidence - gathered in a proper and unbiased
>manner.
>
>Once this evidence is presented it is the next task of the scientific
>method NOT to embrace it but to challenge it - to try to refute it.  IF
>it cannot be refuted - then and only then does it gain credibility.
>
>True - many scientific break throughs of the past started with a muse,
>were not mainstream and countered current belief.  BUT - they are the
>scientific beliefs of today because someone did the homework, gathered
>the evidence and answered the challenges.
>
>Questioning is NOT closed mindedness.  To doubt is to investigate.
>
>"Stokes, James" wrote:
>> 
>>  I would like to make an important observation that all "public health
>> scientists" should consider.
>> 
>> A century ago there was a disease called "Consumption".  What determined
>> your risk of getting it was: socio-economic factors, family history,
>> ethicity, and geographic factors.  Does this sound familiar to anyone?  We
>> now know that disease to be an infectiuous agent known more comonly as
>> tuberculous.
>> 
>> Two decades ago, whether a person got gastrointestinal ulcers was a set of
>> risk factors of diet, sex, socioeconomic status, job stress.  Sounding
>> familiar again.  Guess what, it is an infectious disease that is cured with
>> antibiotics.
>> 
>> Has anyone noticed that a significant majority of the patients that get
>> cervical cancer, also show positive on the papaloma virus?
>> 
>> Angioplasty only has a fifty percent success rate.  However, in that group
>> that it does not work, there is the presence of a particular virus in that
>> portion of the blood vessels.  Strange coincidence isn't it.  However, you
>> may have noticed an increase in the success rate of angioplasty, when post
>> stent implant irradiation is performed.  Is it because the radiation is
>> killing the virus that was causing the reccurrence to start with?
>> 
>> Colleages, if I may use that term.  We need to set our preconceived notions
>> aside.  "Science" does not have an agenda.  It seeks only the truth. Whether
>> we agree with it or not.  "Agenda science" is nothing but selfmotivated
>> political activism, that uses fancy credentials and titles, to make it sound
>> more credible.
>> 
>> I hope that all of us collectively can change the mindset of todays
>> "research scientists" to see all of the evidence, and not ignore that as
>> irrelevant, which does not support the "desired" outcome.
>> 
>> Obviously these opinions are mine alone, because few have the nerve to step
>> outside the accepted practice of "risk factoring" and find the true causes.
>> 
>> I hope that I have made at least one person think, if only for a moment.
>> 
>> Sincerely Jim Stokes RRPT
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Harry Hinks
>> To: Multiple recipients of list
>> Sent: 2/24/01 12:29 PM
>> Subject: Breast Cancer, radon, junk science.
>> 
>> I thought these sites concerning radon and breast cancer were
>> interesting.
>> 
>> http://www.junkscience.com/news/radon-breast-cancer.html
>> 
>> http://www.junkscience.com/news/radon-breast-cancer2.html
>> 
>> Harry
>> harryhinks@hotmail.com
>> 
>> >From: "dkosloff1" <dkosloff1@email.msn.com>
>> >Reply-To: radsafe@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu
>> >To: Multiple recipients of list <radsafe@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu>
>> >Subject: Re: Breast Cancer...Some Ideas
>> >Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 07:33:41 -0600 (CST)
>> >
>> >----- Original Message -----
>> >From: <JPreisig@aol.com>
>> >To: "Multiple recipients of list" <radsafe@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu>
>> >Subject: Breast Cancer...Some Ideas
>> >
>> >
>> > >      I believe one (primary???) cause of breast cancer may be due to
>> >cosmic
>> > > radiation (neutrons/protons/hadrons) interacting with the breasts.
>> >
>> >If cosmic radiation were a primary cause of breast cancer there should
>> be
>> >elevated incidence among high altitude populations as compared to sea
>> level
>> >populations and among female aircraft flight crew members.  These
>> >populations have been studied, to some degree, with published data.
>> For
>> >example the NIH did a study of cancer mortality in counties (and
>> control
>> >counties) near operating nuclear facilitites in several of the US.  As
>> I
>> >recall the, SMSR for breast cancer near Rocky Flats (Denver), Colorado
>> was
>> >less than one, although the variation was not statistically
>> significant.
>> >If
>> >cosmic radiation were a primary cause, the study should have shown a
>> >statistically significant elevated SMSR for the Colorado counties and
>> >statistically significant depressed SMSRs for some of the sea level
>> study
>> >and control counties.
>> >
>> >Don Kosloff dkosloff1@msn.com
>> >2910 Main Street, Perry, OH 44081
>> >
>> >
>> >
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