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Re: Breast Cancer, radon, junk science.
This continual pointing to "the world is flat" notions of the past that
were later proven wrong as the template still followed by modern science
just because they are not embracing a particular pet notion is an insult
to all modern scientists.
We have learned from those days - indeed we have progressed from those
days because we have learned.
Scientists are some of the most self questioning and open minded people
around.
Just because they don't suddenly embrace a declarative position or
instantly turn all attention to a mind wandering "what if", does NOT
indicate closed mindedness.
The scientific method was embraced to avoid these mistakes of the past.
Conclusions are not drawn from a few random observations. Today's'
scientist asked to see the evidence - gathered in a proper and unbiased
manner.
Once this evidence is presented it is the next task of the scientific
method NOT to embrace it but to challenge it - to try to refute it. IF
it cannot be refuted - then and only then does it gain credibility.
True - many scientific break throughs of the past started with a muse,
were not mainstream and countered current belief. BUT - they are the
scientific beliefs of today because someone did the homework, gathered
the evidence and answered the challenges.
Questioning is NOT closed mindedness. To doubt is to investigate.
"Stokes, James" wrote:
>
> I would like to make an important observation that all "public health
> scientists" should consider.
>
> A century ago there was a disease called "Consumption". What determined
> your risk of getting it was: socio-economic factors, family history,
> ethicity, and geographic factors. Does this sound familiar to anyone? We
> now know that disease to be an infectiuous agent known more comonly as
> tuberculous.
>
> Two decades ago, whether a person got gastrointestinal ulcers was a set of
> risk factors of diet, sex, socioeconomic status, job stress. Sounding
> familiar again. Guess what, it is an infectious disease that is cured with
> antibiotics.
>
> Has anyone noticed that a significant majority of the patients that get
> cervical cancer, also show positive on the papaloma virus?
>
> Angioplasty only has a fifty percent success rate. However, in that group
> that it does not work, there is the presence of a particular virus in that
> portion of the blood vessels. Strange coincidence isn't it. However, you
> may have noticed an increase in the success rate of angioplasty, when post
> stent implant irradiation is performed. Is it because the radiation is
> killing the virus that was causing the reccurrence to start with?
>
> Colleages, if I may use that term. We need to set our preconceived notions
> aside. "Science" does not have an agenda. It seeks only the truth. Whether
> we agree with it or not. "Agenda science" is nothing but selfmotivated
> political activism, that uses fancy credentials and titles, to make it sound
> more credible.
>
> I hope that all of us collectively can change the mindset of todays
> "research scientists" to see all of the evidence, and not ignore that as
> irrelevant, which does not support the "desired" outcome.
>
> Obviously these opinions are mine alone, because few have the nerve to step
> outside the accepted practice of "risk factoring" and find the true causes.
>
> I hope that I have made at least one person think, if only for a moment.
>
> Sincerely Jim Stokes RRPT
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Harry Hinks
> To: Multiple recipients of list
> Sent: 2/24/01 12:29 PM
> Subject: Breast Cancer, radon, junk science.
>
> I thought these sites concerning radon and breast cancer were
> interesting.
>
> http://www.junkscience.com/news/radon-breast-cancer.html
>
> http://www.junkscience.com/news/radon-breast-cancer2.html
>
> Harry
> harryhinks@hotmail.com
>
> >From: "dkosloff1" <dkosloff1@email.msn.com>
> >Reply-To: radsafe@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu
> >To: Multiple recipients of list <radsafe@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu>
> >Subject: Re: Breast Cancer...Some Ideas
> >Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 07:33:41 -0600 (CST)
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: <JPreisig@aol.com>
> >To: "Multiple recipients of list" <radsafe@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu>
> >Subject: Breast Cancer...Some Ideas
> >
> >
> > > I believe one (primary???) cause of breast cancer may be due to
> >cosmic
> > > radiation (neutrons/protons/hadrons) interacting with the breasts.
> >
> >If cosmic radiation were a primary cause of breast cancer there should
> be
> >elevated incidence among high altitude populations as compared to sea
> level
> >populations and among female aircraft flight crew members. These
> >populations have been studied, to some degree, with published data.
> For
> >example the NIH did a study of cancer mortality in counties (and
> control
> >counties) near operating nuclear facilitites in several of the US. As
> I
> >recall the, SMSR for breast cancer near Rocky Flats (Denver), Colorado
> was
> >less than one, although the variation was not statistically
> significant.
> >If
> >cosmic radiation were a primary cause, the study should have shown a
> >statistically significant elevated SMSR for the Colorado counties and
> >statistically significant depressed SMSRs for some of the sea level
> study
> >and control counties.
> >
> >Don Kosloff dkosloff1@msn.com
> >2910 Main Street, Perry, OH 44081
> >
> >
> >
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