| Stewart Farber, MS Public Health Public Health 
Sciences
 172 Old Orchard Way
 Warren, VT 05674
   Dear Mr. Farber, You say, "There is little hope of a 
 reasonable exchange of views or facts between a scientist and a person who 
has an essentially "faith based"  fervor that a single photon or electron 
from a beta decay is going to cause an implicitly unacceptable case of 
 cancer."
    This remark is really ill-chosen and 
gratuitously insulting. Since I have never discussed the quantitative aspects 
of the biological effects of ionizing radiation, YOU HAVE NO IDEA what I 
think about that particular subject or why.   You say, "At some point [and no animus toward Ray 
Shadis who (M) I don't know] (YOU'VE GOT THAT RIGHT) one has to recognize the 
truth in the old saying: "If you try to teach a pig to sing, you're only wasting 
your time and upset the pig"    What's wrong with you, Mr. Farber? Please hone your 
people skills and get back to me.                                                     
Thank You,                                                      Raymond 
Shadis
 
 
  ----- Original Message -----  Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 11:29 
  PM Subject: Re: So, is reprocessing 
  thread...."Angels dancing on head of pin?" Radsafe:
 
 This 
  back and forth exchange between the "World According to Ray"
 Weltanschaung 
     [ask Franz S. for a translation]  and many members of
 Radsafe about: "The question" [ ....of]   "whether or not 
  radoiactive [sic]
 materials are unique among toxins."  hearkens back 
  to the Medieval clerical
 debate about how many angels can dance on the 
  head of a pin.
 
 There is little hope of a  reasonable exchange of 
  views or facts between a
 scientist and a person who has an essentially 
  "faith based"  fervor that a
 single photon or electron from a beta 
  decay is going to cause an implicitly
 unacceptable case of  cancer. 
  There is no reasoning with a person holding
 such a polarized value system, 
   that hundreds of thousands of photons strike
 each person each minute 
  from cosmic and terrestrial background radiation, or
 decay internally each 
  minute from natural radionuclides, etc., etc.. These
 facts regarding 
  radiation exposure mean nothing and the risks of a single
 photon striking 
  a person is accordingly judged unacceptable. Forget trying to
 make an 
  arguments about alternate energy risks [coal or gas or windmills or
 conservation, etc.]  vs. nuclear fuel cycle risks.
 
 At some 
  point [and no animus toward Ray Shadis who I don't know] one has to
 recognize the truth in the old saying: "If you try to teach a pig to sing,
 you're only wasting your time and upset the pig"
 
 Stewart Farber, 
  MS Public Health
 Public Health Sciences
 172 Old Orchard Way
 Warren, VT 05674
 
 [802] 496-3356
 email: SAFarberMSPH@cs.com
 
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 In a message dated 7/12/01 1:38:56 PM 
  Eastern Daylight Time,
 chris.davey@cancerboard.ab.ca writes:
 
 
 
 Raymond Shadis wrote: 
 > This is hopeless. The 
    question was whether or not radoiactive materials
 are
 > unique 
    among toxins. Yes, they are. That's it. Please, no more banalities
 > 
    from the "Friendly Atom." comic series. Thanks. Ray
 >
 
 Just 
    like a motivational speaker said (looking deeply into the eyes of each
 of
 his enraptured audience in turn):
 
 "You are unique, just 
    like everybody else!"
 
 
 
 
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