Re: Ship Yard Workers - John Boice

[hflong@postoffice.pacbell.net]

John,

 I have given time to study hormesis, which say you will not. You admonish me to

review authority (NCRP 136) rather than review data critically, as I asked of

you. Which is science?



The 12, one SD bars of Cohen show very smooth trend, with consistent 10% - 20%

less lung cancer mortality at 1 -5 pCi/l than with less radon. That is quite

unlike  Iowa outlier data, with small numbers.



The good news is that Ramsar 200msv/yr background giving radiation resistant

lymphocytes, other new studies and autopsy of old ones (Shipyard Workers),

revitalizes interest in HPs becoming therapists: pre-surgical, post accident,

ICU, cancer "vaccination", etc.We should have controlled experiments  soon.



Happy Holiday!



Howard Long





"Jacobus, John (OD/ORS)" wrote:



> Howard,

> I really don't have the time to devote to the subject of hormesis.  I think

> if you start to look at the error bars, you will see the purported benefits

> are not very different from no affect.  I think if you read NCRP 136 with an

> open mind, you might questioning the hormesis data shows.

>

> -- John

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: hflong@postoffice.pacbell.net

> [mailto:hflong@postoffice.pacbell.net]

> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 12:39 PM

> To: Jacobus, John (OD/ORS); radsafe@list.vanderbilt.edu

> Subject: Re: Ship Yard Workers - John Boice

>

> John,

> Pollycove presented Biologic and Epidemiologic Foundations of Radiation

> Hormesis

> at our Doctors for Disaster Preparedness meeting July 14, in great detail

> that

> confirms the shoter wave lengths as being as "essential" as those in

> sunlight to

> good health, better when double to 100 x the current USA gulfcoast exposure.

> You

> can get the videotapetape showing slides from jersnav@mindspring.com

>

> Muckerheide gave political description at our 2000 meeting. An audiotape of

> that

> could answer your political question.

>

> Happy Holidays

>

> Howard Long

>

> "Jacobus, John (OD/ORS)" wrote:

>

> > Howard,

> > While Dr. Cameron was a member of the TAP, he really does not give a good

> > explanation of why the report was not published in the literature.

> However,

> > it is available for review as a DOE report.

> >

> > I am sorry, but I do not buy the idea that ionizing radiation is an

> > essential energy.  At the levels we are considering, I doubt effects could

> > be differentiated from random biological variability.

> >

> > -- John

> >

> > -----Original Message-----

> > From: hflong@postoffice.pacbell.net

> > [mailto:hflong@postoffice.pacbell.net]

> > Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 7:22 PM

> > To: Jacobus, John (OD/ORS)

> > Cc: Muckerheide; John Williams; hflong@pacbell.net; radsafe

> > Subject: Re: Ship Yard Workers - John Boice

> >

> > John,

> > NSWS was NOT published promptly or in full or in scientific objectivity

> > -according to John Cameron, a member of its Technial Advisory Panel

> > <http://www.aps.org/units/fps/oct01/a5oct01.html>

> >

> > Howard Long

> >

> > "Jacobus, John (OD/ORS)" wrote:

> >

> > > Jim,

> > > As you probably know, or refuse to acknowledge, the Nuclear Shipyard

> > Worker

> > > Study was published as DOE/EV/10095-T2, "Health Effects of Low-Level

> > > Radiation in Shipyard Workers, Final Report."  I do not argue against

> > claims

> > > made by you or others about its results or analysis, (I am not a

> > > statistician or epidemiologist), but I do object to the false claim that

> > it

> > > was never published.

> > >

> > > These accusations are similar to your false claims that research is not

> > > funded for studies of "hormesis," when you post findings on your Web

> site.

> > >

> > > -- John

> > > John Jacobus, MS

> > > Certified Health Physicist

> > > 3050 Traymore Lane

> > > Bowie, MD  20715-2024

> > >

> > > E-mail:  jenday1@email.msn.com (H)

> > >

> > > -----Original Message-----

> > > From: Muckerheide [mailto:muckerheide@MEDIAONE.NET]

> > > Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 7:12 PM

> > > To: John Williams; hflong@pacbell.net

> > > Cc: radsafe

> > > Subject: Re: Ship Yard Workers - John Boice

> > >

> > > . . .

> > > (continuing  Matanoski

> > > funds for the Shipyard Worker study in '94 to leave as Chair, but never

> > > publish the study.)

> > > . . .



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