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Re: Dr. Long



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>From: hflong@postoffice.pacbell.net

>Reply-To: hflong@postoffice.pacbell.net

>To: "Field, R. William" <bill-field@UIOWA.EDU>, radsafe@list.vanderbilt.edu

>Subject: Re: Dr. Long

>Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 21:24:10 -0800

>

>Dear Professor Field,

>The only thing I do not understand is why you do not yet agree that the 

>Iowa study

>1, cannot claim radon as a cause of lung cancer (as in reference to it in 

>the

>American Cancer Society journal, CA) or  2, cannot support LNT.

>

>First, Iowa women, although obvious selection in Iowa, are a 1% outlier in 

>lung

>cancer mortality association with radon in the USA. .

>Only a -0.3 SD was found for Iowa but >-3.0 SD for the USA.

>I am happy to read you do apply Iowa findings only to midwest women. Please 

>inform

>CA.

>

>Second, to "adjust" for only 32% of controls smoking  when 86% of cases 

>smoked

>makes me (and TARB, given Ford's writings), incredulous of dependent 

>inferences.

>Smoking's association with lung cancer is >10 x  radon's.  So error in 

>memory of

>smoking (ubiquitous, I find ) could make radon protection from lung cancer

>(suggested by Cohen's findings) appear as cause (suggested by Iowa 

>findings). We

>value placebo studies because the control match is identical!.

>

>Do you agree that these points do cloud inferences your study to,

>1, other populations than Iowa, and

>2, linear effect (harm) from home radon?

>

>Howard Long

>

>"Field, R. William" wrote:

>

> > Dr. Long,

> >

> > I have seen you make this post on at least 7 occasions.  I do not

> > understand what response you are looking.  Nor, do I  understand your 

>point

> > about an "outlier".  The reasons why Iowa was chosen as a site for a 

>radon

> > study has been presented to you on numerous occasions.   The difference 

>in

> > smoking percentages have been discussed frequently before including the

> > published literature (http://www.ntp.org.uk/951-TUD.pdf).  If you do not

> > understand the answers, I understand that and I would welcome you

> > contacting me directly.  If you are just be argumentative, I can likely

> > provide no answer that you would find acceptable.

> >

> > Bill Field

> >

> > At 10:31 AM 01/25/2002 -0800, you wrote:

> > >Don,

> > >I "keep saying this" - ie, "Selecting an outlier  invalidates inference 

>to

> > >the whole,"

> > >because neither you nor Fields has responded!

> > >Iowa women had only a -0.3 SD  for lung ca mortality vs radon,

> > >where there was >-3.0 SD for the whole USA.

> > >

> > >Nor have you supplied data that could justify substituting statistical

> > >"adjustment" (extrapolation from outside studies and populations)

> > >for matching smokers (32% of controls vs 86% of Iowa cases).

> > >

> > >Each of these problems suggests that the Iowa case control study

> > >should not claim better "quality" than Cohen's epidemiologic study.

> > >Do you concede this?

> > >

> > >Not, going, going, going - but waiting, waiting, waiting!

> > >

> > >Howard Long

> > >

> > >Rad health wrote:

> > >

> > > > Howard,

> > > >

> > > > Why do you keep saying this.  What point do you hope to make.  Do 

>you

> > > > believe if you say it enough someone will believe it if by chance 

>they

> > > > understand it.  This is silliness.  Perform your double blind 

>studies, who

> > > > is stopping you?  Also, to save bandwidth, please edit your 

>postings.

> > > >

> > > > Don

> > > >

> > > > >Mea culpa! I, too, extrapolated (estimated beyond data at hand) 

>with "Iowa

> > > > >women - 1% outlier of USA lung cancer mortality, 1/radon." What IS 

>in

> > > > >Cohen's data is that Iowa women had only  0.3 standard deviations 

>of

> > > > >inverse association - lung cancer mortality vs radon, whereas p< 

>0.001

> > > > >chance

> > > > >(many SDs) for whole USA (minus mobile CA, FL, AZ). So Iowa is 

>different,

> > > > >clouding inference to the USA.

> > > > >

> > > > >We need placebo studies - identical controls!

> > > > >

> > > > >Howard Long

> > > >

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