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Banned from Yet Another List
So this is what I do when I'm censored. I announce it. I've been informed
that I've been silenced on yet another list, for things I did not even post
to the list!
This time it's Sierra Club's Federal Facilities/Nuclear Waste Task Force
CONS-EQST-FED-FACILITIES-COMM@LISTS.SIERRACLUB.ORG
Join the list at
http://lists.sierraclub.org/SCRIPTS/WA.EXE?SUBED1=cons-eqst-fed-facilities-comm&A=1
:-)
Dr. Ruth may want to subscribe. A couple of people cowardly mentioned her.
I've included one below. The other one said to please unsubscribe her if
Dr. Ruth was a member.
>From: Tori Woodard <toriwoodard@scinternet.net>
>To: CONS-EQST-FED-FACILITIES-COMM@LISTS.SIERRACLUB.ORG
>Subject: Jim Hoerner should be removed from list
>Dear Jim,
>
> I have received a copy of an e-mail that you apparently posted on the
>radsafe list. If you are the same Jim Hoerner who posted it, you should
>not be
>on the Sierra Club's Federal Facilities/ Nuclear Waste Task Force list. I
>have
>pasted in your radsafe e-mail below your posting to our list about the MOX
>plan,
>so that everyone on the Federal Facilities/Nuclear Waste Task Force list
>can see
>what you told the radsafe people.
>
> At this time I would like to ask Doris Cellarius or whoever monitors
>the
>Federal Facilities/Nuclear Waste Task Force list to initiate a process to
>remove
>Jim Hoerner from the list. As I am new to the list myself, I don't know
>what
>your process is, but I know we can't strategize effectively with an
>adversary
>undercutting our list. I for one will not feel comfortable sharing
>strategy
>ideas until Jim is off the list.
>
>Tori Woodard
>Nuclear Waste Chair, Conservation Chair
>Glen Canyon Group
[snip my post to RadSafe encouraging people to DO SOMETHING]
>From: Karl Johanson <karljohanson@shaw.ca>
>If in fact you're that afraid of opinions which don't meet with your
>personal definition of "official truth" then I'd as soon you dropped me
>from
>the list as well.
>
>"Without censorship, things can get terribly confused in the public mind."
>---General William Westmoreland
>
>Science works, not because scientists are necessarily the smartest people,
>but because scientists admit the possibility that they are wrong, invite
>commentary on their work. Also the scientific method has checks and
>balances
>against error. Science is a method of striving to discover the truth, it's
>not something one can point at and claim to be truth. However, when you
>decide you already know the truth & that you must censor those who disagree
>with that 'truth', you're in the realm of superstition, not science.
>
>I invite you to think about and retract what you said Tori.
>
>Karl Johanson
>Peace
>From: Jim Hoerner <jim_hoerner@hotmail.com>
>Thank you very much, Karl. I salute you, sir.
>
>Like you, I value freedom of speech. While I disagree with what Tori said,
>I respect his or her right to say it. I cannot emphasize that strongly
>enough.
>
>Censorship is easy. Respecting multiple viewpoints takes effort.
>
[snip]
>
>I do not understand why someone would want to censor me for wanting the US
>and Russia to cooperate on the destruction of literally thousands of
>plutonium warheads. While it may be self-centered (I have two small
>children), I believe that using these warheads in reactors to produce
>electricity to power cities for the good of humanity is much better than
>letting them fall into the hands of terrorists that would use them to
>destroy cities.
>
>Best regards, all. And hello, or farewell, as the case may be.
>
>Jim Hoerner
>Manager of the Yahoo Group Know_Nukes, where all viewpoints are respected.
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Know_Nukes/
>From: Citizen Alert-Vegas <Kalynda@citizenalert.org>
>I have to say I totally agree with Tori. I have not posted to this
>list except an occasional news clipping, nor have I put out an intro
>because I have no idea what it may end up being used for with Mr.
>Horner on this list. It is not about censorship, it is about feeling
>safe to strategize or letting people know your background without it
>being used for "ulterior motives". And I have the same feelings that
>Susan Dayton has about Ruth Weiner ever since since I meet her. If
>this is going to be an open discussion list, that is one thing, but
>to strategize will take a closed moderated list that everyone knows
>who everyone is and what business they are about. I think a lot of
>great things have happened and been discussed on this list and I
>would love to more than just lurk.
>
>That's my two cents worth. Thanks for being brave enough to say
>something Tori.
>
>Kalynda Tilges
>Nuclear Issues Coordinator
>Citizen Alert - Las Vegas
>P.O.Box 17173
>Las Vegas, NV 89114
>702-796-5662 Voice
>702-796-4886 Fax
>"mailto:kalynda@citizenalert.org";
>http://www.citizenalert.org
[I attempted to reply to this pst and point out that Kalynda of Citizen
Alert is currently a member of Know_Nukes (the very first person to
subscribe as a matter of fact), and I would never consider banning her. My
post bounced, though.]
Regards,
Jim
--
Hold the door for the stranger behind you. When the driver a
half-car-length in front of you signals to get over, slow down. Smile and
say "hi" to the folks you pass on the sidewalk. Give blood. Volunteer.
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