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RE: "Limit to Survival - Effect of Radiation



Ruth,

I think what you said is very valid.  "Common sense" says that data should

not be taken out of context.  Studies, like the British radiographers study,

and the Calabrese and Baldwin article, are be mined for results that may not

exist or be relevant to radiation safety issues, which is what I thought

this list is about.  In some cases, as John Cameron will tell you, the

conclusions he reached are not those reached by the original investigators

who he contacted.  Is this extrapolation or even (inadvertent)

misrepresentation of the data?  Sometimes wishes cloud judgment.  What we do

know is that current data does not support adverse health effects below

about 100 mSv (10 rem), which the British radiographers study supports:  no

more, no less.  Studies that do show effects, harmful or beneficial, are not

unequivocal.   As professionals, I think we fail if we ignore statements

that fly in the face of "good science," which also requires the use of

common sense in its use.  The use of the LNT may be not "good science," but

is useful from a common sense (conservative) point of view of risk

management. 



Another, personal issue for me, is that when information is presented on

this list, we should understand that there will be disagreements, like the

practical benefits of ALARA.  I think it is great that we can hold this

discussions.  I just question when our beliefs are viewed as religious

doctrine, and those who disagree are heretics.



-- John 



John Jacobus, MS

Certified Health Physicist 

3050 Traymore Lane

Bowie, MD  20715-2024



E-mail:  jenday1@email.msn.com (H)      



-----Original Message-----

From: RuthWeiner@aol.com [mailto:RuthWeiner@aol.com]

Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 11:53 AM

To: Jacobus, John (NIH/OD/ORS); radsafe@list.vanderbilt.edu

Subject: Re: "Limit to Survival - Effect of Radiation

. . .



John, I keep trying to fit common sense into this, even though "common

sense" can be wrong.  But let me try: 

. . .



Now everybody is doing this (mindless) linear extrapolation to zero, and

that is part of the problem. 



The other part is:  it seems pretty hard, if not impossible, to separate the

effect on increases or decreases in public radiation exposure from

fluctuations in background, cosmic ray exposure, etc.  That effect can be

separated for occupational exposures, perhaps, but not, it seems to me, from

public exposure.   



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